Aftermarket Security - Page 3

Z06ZLE · 10-03-2023, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SwL_Wildcat

When you say kids I'm assuming that's all makes and models combined? I can see kids smashing out ignition columns and stealing them, like the 2nd and 3rd gens. The kids must be pretty sophisticated to be able to steal these newer 6th gens and deal with all the security?

I hear ya. And likewise, it baffles the mind that minors would even begin to know how to rip out OnStar antennas and the like. In fact, I think that in the previously reference NYT article (earlier post of mine), it even stated that many teens learn how to break into cars, especially Hyundais and Kia’s - the two most stolen makes in America - primarily through Tik-Tok videos. It’s crazy.

Rogueleader_92 · 10-03-2023, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SwL_Wildcat

When you say kids I'm assuming that's all makes and models combined? I can see kids smashing out ignition columns and stealing them, like the 2nd and 3rd gens. The kids must be pretty sophisticated to be able to steal these newer 6th gens and deal with all the security?

Kids are smarter then you give them credit for and the security of our cars is much more vulnerable then you think.

The Kia joyrides are a good example. All it took was a charging cable and a tiktok video. There is also the relay attacks where its been proven for less then a grand you can buy what you need to steal cars. Hackers have also shown there is the ability to remote drive some cars with self driving capability (not just tesla's) because the wifi on the car hasn't been secured.

Never under estimate a board kid with an internet connection.

HemiDave · 10-03-2023, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Z06ZLE

RE: Car Theft vs. Car Jacking - It appears we're discussing two distinct subjects; I'm focusing on grand theft auto or car theft, which occurs when the victim is not immediately present. To that point, I had directly embedded/referenced a post involving a tow truck doing just that with a vehicle parked on the site of the street. Your emphasis on carjacking — defined legally as the forceful seizure of a vehicle while the owner is present — is a separate issue. Both fall under the umbrella of "vehicle theft" but have different legal distinctions, implications and contextual differences. It is possible to have a conversation about vehicle theft while simultaneously honing in on one particular method of it. Let's not conflate the two or use one as a straw man argument for the other.

HemiDave Responded: I cant read your mind. Is that what you expected when you said "...most are bored kids looking for a joy ride"?

This is not about two distinct subjects either, it's about stealing cars.
You originally said it was ..."entirely different"

Discussing the method used to steal a car is not conflating or strawman'ing this thread .
This all falls under stealing cars.

You keep injecting your strange reasoning here about "its 2 entirely different things"
Thats what you originally said "entirely different"....Remember?

RE: Kids - My assertion that a significant number of car thieves are underage isn't an anecdote; it's backed by empirical data. A New York Times article just last month reported Mayor Eric Adams saying that half of those arrested for car theft were minors. A 2019 study by the National Library of Medicine corroborates this, citing the peak age for car theft offenses at 15–19 years old. Full paper here.

HemiDave Responded: Lets be clear here, you said "...MOST are bored kids"
Now you fabricate that to "significant number"...

NYC data on this is not Nationwide data, and it's not even NYS data.

15-19 is not "bored kids", and an 18/19 year old is a legal adult.

The Pre Pandemic, Pre Joe Biden 2019 study you posted is almost certainly not representative of 2023 stats.

These are all poor attempts by you to make your statements valid.

RE: DOJ Bureau of Justice Statistics - Your apparent conflation of my separate citations is either a misunderstanding of basic academic methodology or a deliberate attempt to cobble together a disjointed argument. In either case, it's misleading. I cited "kids" in car thefts in one context and used DOJ statistics to discuss injuries/deaths from carjackings in another. These citations were distinctly framed to support separate points in separate posts. To intermingle them as if they were universally applicable compromises the rigor and integrity of your reasoning, and indeed this entire discussion.

HemiDave Responded: You must have an academic misunderstanding that you proved my point and not yours with your DOJ statistics.

You also seemingly don't understand that 18 and 19 year olds are not kids. but legal adults and categorized as such.

Your retorts, using Emotional Word Salads, are a cobble of misinformation, show lack of integrity, use fabrications and are devoid of valid reasoning to prove your proclamations.

**I have responded to your latest assortment of Morning Breath Hot-Air in RED above**

The issue here is your original statement "...most (car thieves) are bored kids looking for a joyride."
You have not provided any proof whatsoever to justify that claim.

Instead of using just my words, you have added your feelings and emotions to add false context to my words.
Thats you manipulating.

You sighted DOJ stats, and they proved what I said to be true.
Do you now think the DOJ stats you provided are "untethered to reality", a "scare tactic" and "sensationalism"?
If you were intellectually consistent you would...But then again, you provided them mistakenly thinking they were proving your point.

You have simply failed in validating your statements.

I think our back and forth has run its course.

Take care.

keep_hope_alive · 10-03-2023, 04:29 PM

After my 2014 Accord was stolen back in 2016, I installed a kill switch on the immobilizer wire. My car had an alarm system that would have worked, if they hadn't stolen the key from the garage (that afternoon was the only time a spare key was accessible, and only for a few hours, they got lucky).

The hidden switch was an easy install (I installed the original alarm, and I even hid the alarm brain behind the gauge cluster so no aftermarket wiring was visible). The downside was that my remote start would no longer work, so I found myself using the immobilizer switch rarely.

I agree that a fuel pump bypass would be easy and effective. Likely the car would start then soon die, and not restart. That would likely generate enough noise and ruckus that the thief would abandon the effort. The challenge is actually using the bypass button every time you park your car, and foregoing remote start.

Anjilslaire · 10-03-2023, 04:44 PM