[SwL_Wildcat]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

I think Chevrolet sold all the 2023 Camaros it could build. There have been so many parts shortages, shifting of parts to the CEs, discontinued parts and other excuses that Lansing likely was maxed out on what it could produce for 2023. I’m betting the same stuff will happen for the 2024s as GM empties the parts shelves. Who's going to be the first 2024 Camaro buyer with a Silverado glovebox sawzalled into the dash?

The point being you can't honesty say "poor sales" are to blame when you can't build enough to fill the demand.

[50MileSmile]

Originally Posted by SwL_Wildcat

The point being you can't honesty say "poor sales" are to blame when you can't build enough to fill the demand.

Sure I can. They built enough to satisfy the marketplace - they just didn’t build enough to satisfy you and others in the same situation. There’s a big difference in the “demand” for a single car like yours and general consumer demand for the Camaro, which has pretty much lagged behind the Challenger and Mustang for years. I’m sorry GM hurt your feelings, but it hurt my feelings too when it decided to eliminate long-standing options I wanted on my 2024. We both just got caught in situations that don’t make sense to us personally, but do make sense to the beancounters responsible for clearing the shelves of Camaro parts by early next year.

[CTRifecta]

I also thought it was very interesting that the 2025 CT5 gets a huge refresh and soldiers on while the Camaro ends production in January 2024, both coming from the same plant.


The CT5 is a global car and my understanding is that China eats up Cadillacs, so perhaps CT5 global volume warrants it to continue.


I do feel a bit better about the Lansing plant as previously I thought it was immediately turning into an EV only plant after January 2024, however it doesn't appear to be the case. If the strike happens and Camaro 2024 production is delayed to beyond January, hopefully that's acceptable by GM..

[Tbone98]

It’s not sales as much as it is profit margin. Everyone knows cars have the lowest profit margin in any brand lineup. The two Cadi’s the Camaro shares the line with have the name plate alone to boost profit margin. Low PM + low volume = bad #’s.
If the Camaro had the profit margin the corvette does it would warrant its own plant. But considering it shares a line with two other vehicle, and there is only so much you can run, bc the line can only run as fast as the paint process, and there are the other two there, it’s kind of a no brainer to the accountants. You have to keep in mind, Camaros in general are a pretty inexpensive car (these days) with the exception of a very small number of ZL1’s, and those cexceptions also cost the Oem more to make.
To keep the Camaro, the sales and pm would have to justify its own plant. Think multiple plants for trucks and large SUV’s.

[50MileSmile]

I saw a quote from a worker at Lansing today who said the plant has been running full overtime (12/7) for 2 years - and he expects that situation to continue after the strike. He’s actually in favor of the strike, because he and his coworkers will finally get some much-needed time off.

[Tbone98]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

I saw a quote from a worker at Lansing today who said the plant has been running full overtime (12/7) for 2 years - and he expects that situation to continue after the strike. He’s actually in favor of the strike, because he and his coworkers will finally get some much-needed time off.

They want the time off bc they can afford to have it off after all that OT $$$ haha

[arpad_m]

In their minds there probably isn't enough of a new audience to justify a brand new Camaro design. Honestly, 4-seat coupes aren't exactly popular as a whole, and they already have a flagship sports car, the Corvette, to provide almost all the lift they think they can muster. Most of us who wanted a Camaro already have one, making all of us buy another one wasn't a resounding success from the 5th to the 6th gen, so they probably said screw that, we'll just keep the Corvette.

That we love the Camaro, or its heritage and history for that matter, mean nothing to GM as a corporate entity.

[taylorforschool@gmail.com]

Originally Posted by Tbone98

They want the time off bc they can afford to have it off after all that OT $$$ haha

[MyNameIs]

Originally Posted by CTRifecta

I also thought it was very interesting that the 2025 CT5 gets a huge refresh and soldiers on while the Camaro ends production in January 2024, both coming from the same plant.


The CT5 is a global car and my understanding is that China eats up Cadillacs, so perhaps CT5 global volume warrants it to continue.


I do feel a bit better about the Lansing plant as previously I thought it was immediately turning into an EV only plant after January 2024, however it doesn't appear to be the case. If the strike happens and Camaro 2024 production is delayed to beyond January, hopefully that's acceptable by GM..

If GM leadership truly believes that EVs will be the mainstay car in the near future by trying to ram them down our throats then they are dumber than they look. 200 mile average and a 2 hour charge they are out of their effing minds. 45min quick charge might take you 100 miles if you are lucky and depending on driving conditions.

[Z06ZLE]

Originally Posted by MyNameIs

If GM leadership truly believes that EVs will be the mainstay car in the near future by trying to ram them down our throats then they are dumber than they look. 200 mile average and a 2 hour charge they are out of their effing minds. 45min quick charge might take you 100 miles if you are lucky and depending on driving conditions.

My BMW i4 M50 on a publicly available fast charger takes about 20 mins to gain 80% charge, which is roughly 224 miles. Enough time for a quick snack and restroom break. And the average range on EV’s these days is 250 miles. More than enough to get you around for the day before needing to plug in at home for the night.

EV’s fears are overblown and based on old data. Things are changing.

[79 TransAm that never was]

It's all about the $$$. GM killed the Camaro when they put it in a plant that builds cars that compete with the Camaro for parts, line-up, and floor space. It's all about the $$$. GM would rather build vehicles that give them $10,000 more in profits, then a vehicle that gives them $5,000.
To achieve their max profit per unit goal GM restricts builds, allocates fewer builds, effectively killing a great car in favor of max profits. They do so without a care about how you and I feel about their dumb decisions.
There was a time that GM actually wanted to compete with the competition, but since Jack Smith and the bean counters got control of GM, GM was filled with bean counting slackers who would rather give-up on the competition and would rather kill off makes and models then put forth an effort to change and improve their brands. They're too busy with ridiculous ideas such as changing 'GM' to 'gm' then they are with building cars.
And the slackers at the top have the nerve to wonder why GM is losing market share? Ya can't sell what ya can't build!

Originally Posted by olrocker

So we all know that January of 2024 is going to be the end of Camaro production.

If that is the case, I have a question for General Motors....... why is the Cadillac CT5 going into 2025 then?

I just received an update from the Cadillac website that the UPDATED 2025 CT5 will include the one piece 33" curved LED screen dashboard similar to the Escalade.

So they're not only going to continue CT5 production, it's getting a very expensive, serious update. For model year 2025, which means they still need to go through the full 2024 model year production.

Keep in mind this is the exact same chassis the Camaro is built on. This is also the exact same division Queen Mary wants to convert to full electric first, to lead the way to GM's full electric conversion.

It really feels like she's just pi--ing on our heads but just telling us it's raining.

[SwL_Wildcat]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

Sure I can. They built enough to satisfy the marketplace - they just didn’t build enough to satisfy you and others in the same situation. There’s a big difference in the “demand” for a single car like yours and general consumer demand for the Camaro, which has pretty much lagged behind the Challenger and Mustang for years. I’m sorry GM hurt your feelings, but it hurt my feelings too when it decided to eliminate long-standing options I wanted on my 2024. We both just got caught in situations that don’t make sense to us personally, but do make sense to the beancounters responsible for clearing the shelves of Camaro parts by early next year.

You, me, and everyone here is the marketplace. If they didn't build the requested cars that is not the fault of the marketplace. In my case I had, and still have, $2500 down on an orange ZL1 I put down in the fall of 2022. I lucked out and got a deposit & bill of sale for a CE while I was calling other dealers trying to find an allocation to build an orange ZL1 that my local dealer will probably never get. The demand is there, it has nothing to do with hurt feelings. Build it and they will come. I understand the logistics of it, but to say the demand isn't there when they can't fulfill all the orders isn't true. If they filled every request for a car then that would be a fair statement.

[flobb]

CT5 is definitely a Cadillac for the sake of being a Cadillac. I was actually looking at it before Camaro. I just couldn't get over the various aspects of it that made me feel like it was a much cheaper car with expensive badges on it. Things like that goofy plastic wedge on the c-pillar, and the interior was just loaded up with redundant buttons to distract you from the lack of upscale quality. My 2SS interior is just as nice as the caddy.

[Smokin19]

Now that the union is officially on strike orders for 24' Camaros might not make it to the buyers. Just another hurdle to jump for those ordering new cars. I forsee more disappointing news coming from GM.