[hawk02]

Originally Posted by Snowwolfe

It took me awhile to really understand the ZL1 and how it handles. For most of the time I owned one considered the handling just to be OK. Then it slowly hit me the harder you drive the Z the more sharp the handling is. Unlike the Corvette which always feel like it’s on rails even at low speeds.

I can tell you from experience, the alpha chassis in the 6th gen is a MAJOR improvement over the Zeta in the 5th gen.

Talk about body roll. I could almost touch the pavement with my hand when taking a corner hard in my 5th gen ZL1 convertible. I'm exaggerating of course but you get my drift. The cornering wasn't great.

[ZX-10R]

Older vettes (esp C5 and previous) are pretty damn scary. Interior was garbage, fit and finish and overall quality abysmal. I never understood the collector value, may as well drive a 70s woody station wagon on your favorite mountain road

[pauly1119]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Older vettes (esp C5 and previous) are pretty damn scary. Interior was garbage, fit and finish and overall quality abysmal. I never understood the collector value, may as well drive a 70s woody station wagon on your favorite mountain road

This makes absolutely no sense. So your saying the C5 or C5 Z06 is the same as a station wagon? Some times you make valid points but this one ranks in your highest of dumb. The C5 platform is a very capable sports car that would make many Camaro owners look like amateurs on the track. I have owned several through the years and while you can’t compare it to the newest of technology it’s a very capable car that will still to today out perform many new cars.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Wow interesting to see in the C&D VIR lap times:
1- The Corvette C7 Z06 matches the lap times of the Shelby GT500 CFTP
2- The Camaro ZL1 1LE matches the FORD GT and Ferrari 488 lap times.
3- Corvette C7 Grand Sport faster than the Corvette C8 Z51 and very close to catching up with previous Porsche GT3 and GT3RS.
4- Corvette C8 Z51 faster than the Ferrari 458 and Camaro ZL1
5. Camaro ZL1 faster than Porsche Cayman GT4

FYI If you read the article about the ZL1's time (2:50) you'll find they made that lap later in a day when it was hot, and they said they think it had a 2:48 and possibly a 2:47 in it, but under the less than ideal conditions (due to their own fault of bending a wheel), that's all it had in it. So, asterisks.

Originally Posted by Infamus

I have owned a corvette for many years, C5- C7. I still have a 2017 Grand Sport that I put a stage two Edelbrock in it. Love the car! I have test driven the new C8 Z51 and yes it handles different than my C7 GS but it not better. Sorry... I'm a diehard corvette fan but the C8 has lost what made Corvette Americas sport car, the price. Base model C8's selling for 110K to 120K is ridiculous this is no unicorn. At a recent C&C event the lot was full of new C8's yet there was only one ZL1 and two ZLEs out of maybe 300 cars that were there.
I as well would never purchase a base anything, when the first C7 came out and all the fan boys jumped I said I'll pass. When the Z06 came out it got my attention but then the issues with cooling started to surface so I waited. When the Grand Sport came out I fell in love and traded my C6 GS. No regrets.
If you want a base C8 just relax and wait a year or even two, depending on the economy and you will get them for sticker or even less. As for waiting for a C8 Z06 you may be waiting a long time with the current move to push us all to drive an appliance. If it does come expect the price to be north of $150K to start and that is 911 territory

No way the C8 Z06 will start above $150k msrp. That's like 80-90% above the C7 Z06 entry price.

Are you referring to ADMs tacked onto the msrp? If so, I can believe $150k for a C8 Z06 initially w/ ADMs.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I was in the market for my '21 ZL1 in Dec. '20 (placed order late Dec.). C8 wasn't on the list because no back seat and the long wait times to get one. IF I didn't need back seats and the wait times were similar between the two (ZL1 and C8), I would have test driven it to compare to the ZL1. I'm not sure I'd have bought it given the power discrepancy.

I will add that the C8 looks cool in person, but the body lines aren't very cohesive and distract from the overall styling. They could have done better.

That said, I'll likely eventually end up in a C9 Z06 (assuming they make one) down the road when the kids are out of the house and I no longer need/want back seats.

[mosaic6]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

... no longer need/want back seats.

Those are some lucky cool kids that get to ride in that back seat. They probably don't mind so much how small we think it is. I can remember growing up in the early 70s riding in the back seat of a well optioned Ford Gran Torino which was so cool.

[ZX-10R]

Originally Posted by pauly1119

The C5 platform is a very capable sports car that would make many Camaro owners look like amateurs on the track

Where is the C5 ranked on C&D Lightning Lap? https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018...ning-lap-2018/

Sarcasm is lost on you...

2:39.5 – 2019 Corvette ZR1
2:44.6 – 2015 Corvette Z06
2:47.1 – 2017 Corvette Grand Sport
2:50.7 – 2012 Corvette ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Tires)
2:51.8 – 2009 Corvette ZR1 (Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 Tires)
2:53.5 – 2011 Corvette Z06 (Z07)
2:53.8 – 2014 Corvette Stingray (Z51)
2:58.2 – 2007 Corvette Z06
2:58.8 – 2010 Corvette Grand Sport
3:01.1 – 2006 Corvette Z06
3:01.2 – 2008 Corvette Z51
3:03.6 – 2007 Corvette Z51
3:09.3 – 2006 Corvette Z51

[1hprush]

Funny that they had a buyer for your ZL1, but were still sitting on the C8. Starting to see a few around here.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by hawk02

Perfect assessment of the two cars.

My C8 is a non-Z51 with performance exhaust and mag ride shocks (FE2 suspension) and the ride and handling is fantastic.

My ZL1 feels like I’m driving a truck. Lately I’ve been driving it in Tour instead sport to soften the ride a little. I don’t know if the mag ride shocks are starting to fade or what. I’m just a little shy of 13,000 miles on my ZL1 so you would think the shocks have a little left in them. I’m driving on PS4S tires with probably 7000 miles on them. They’ve gone through four winters so maybe the compound is starting to go. Who knows. But the ZL1 definitely rides rough compared to the C8.

I believe the C8 uses the next generation or iteration of the magnaride suspension. That is why it feels better.

[TRZ06]

Originally Posted by Infamus

I have owned a corvette for many years, C5- C7. I still have a 2017 Grand Sport that I put a stage two Edelbrock in it. Love the car! I have test driven the new C8 Z51 and yes it handles different than my C7 GS but it not better. Sorry... I'm a diehard corvette fan but the C8 has lost what made Corvette Americas sport car, the price. Base model C8's selling for 110K to 120K is ridiculous this is no unicorn. At a recent C&C event the lot was full of new C8's yet there was only one ZL1 and two ZLEs out of maybe 300 cars that were there.
I as well would never purchase a base anything, when the first C7 came out and all the fan boys jumped I said I'll pass. When the Z06 came out it got my attention but then the issues with cooling started to surface so I waited. When the Grand Sport came out I fell in love and traded my C6 GS. No regrets.
If you want a base C8 just relax and wait a year or even two, depending on the economy and you will get them for sticker or even less. As for waiting for a C8 Z06 you may be waiting a long time with the current move to push us all to drive an appliance. If it does come expect the price to be north of $150K to start and that is 911 territory

The C8 Z06, will NOT be THAT much. You will not get many takers at that price point, because those than can afford that much for a sports car will be looking at McClaren, Porsche, etc.

When you get into that price range, image and branding matters just as much as the cars performance.

Also, those that are in the C8's will not be able to move up to the Z06 because they are going to be so buried and upside down once production gets back to normal and GM starts churning them out as fast as they can make them. Supply chain issues is a temp. thing. What goes up, must come down.

[UnknownJinX]

Hypothetically, if I have the money, I would pass on the C8 for a simple reason: no manual.

I hate to be that guy, but it is a deal-breaker for me, personally.

Probably would have to look at a Porsche or the like.

[TRZ06]

As for me, while I don't have the ZL1, I have the SS 1LE and I am moving into the mid-engine, light weight platform.

I am replacing it with a 2022 PDK GT4.

The 6th gen. Camaro especially in the upper trims is amazing and still holds it own, but I want that in a more luxury, small, mid-engine, and dual clutch package now, so the GT4 fits that bill for me.

I will decide in a few years after the C8 Z06 is out and once it is well reviewed and the hype died down if the GT4 is enough for me or if I want to move up to the C8 Z06.

I know one thing though, I will not loss my ass in depreciation on the GT4 like those will in the C8 down the road in a few years.

[pauly1119]

Originally Posted by ZX-10R

Where is the C5 ranked on C&D Lightning Lap? https://www.corvetteblogger.com/2018...ning-lap-2018/

Sarcasm is lost on you...

Again you continue to show your lack of knowledge. Lightning lap started in 2006, if your not aware the C5 generation ended in 2004. Wrong generation. A C5 Z06 will out perform a C6 Z51 all day. Please actually read before you do future google searches and regurgitate the information on a forum. Heck if you want to look at track times do some research on Laguna Seca. I believe the C5 Z06 was a few hundredths above 1:40 which is faster then a Hellcat Redeye if I’m not mistaken. I’m not big on track times and don’t remember them very well but not sure how you could argue that point but I’m sure you will find something. That’s what your best at.

[Runnn2]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Many on the Dodge forums would say the same about a Chevy or Ford. Nothing new there. Nothing factual from anyone to back up those statements, just personal bias or preference.

I grew up driving only Chevy's and I use to be a die hard Chevy guy that would have said a stupid statement like that too but as I grew up and actually owned some of those products, I realized that there's LOTS of great vehicles out there made by many manufacturers. I'm not brand loyal at all anymore. All brands have some good vehicles and some garbage. I wouldn't own any FCA products other than their RAM trucks, the Charger, Challenger, and Durango. Those are well known good quality products based on my experience of ownership.

So TRUE and well stated. I’ve owned tons of different makes, but not any Dodge or Chrysler products yet. I love the current Charger, drove one while a LEO for half my career, but just haven’t bought one—on my list though. I owned electric vehicles before they were chic, performance cars that had anemic hp numbers and import turbos. I appreciate well built performance cars as that’s my loyalty.

Having said that, I’m currently awaiting the arrival of my ‘21 F-250 Platinum 6.7 Powerstroke diesel 4X4, so that I can pull my enclosed car trailer with my 2nd ‘19 ZR1. I sold my first one for a lot more than I paid for it… was a manual trans that I didn’t want to mod because of the M7 rarity. My next ZR1 will be a an auto that will be modified. The ZR1 is the most amazing performance car I’ve EVER driven/owned!!! Got to drive the ZR1 at Spring Mountain in ‘19 on GM’s nickel too—total blast! Yes, my first ‘19 ZR1 was ordered and bought at MSRP, and that’s the only car I’ve ever paid MSRP (born in ‘64 for those wondering my age).

Finally, my brother has a ‘21 ZL1 A10 (his 2nd ZL1) and I plan to get a ‘22 or ‘23 ZL1 before they convert the Camaro to an EV. I grew up a GM guy, although Chevy was the majority of what GM I owned, with several Pontiac’s in the mix as well. Fyi, Vengeance Racing rocks, and will probably get my ZR1 and, eventul ZL1, mod business once I’m ready.