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In contrast, Dodge started in 3rd and has come up with unique ideas to push the losing brand to 1st and still pushes further. It's a great coupe. Maybe, just maybe, it went over into "corvette territory" a little too much (the hood, seating and cabin view constantly reminds me of 70's stingray). But it is an amazing car. That's why I bought one. I'd probably be happy with a Dodge too though. I have driven Hellcat, RT's and Scat Pack wide bodies. They all do what I need/want them to do. Back to the issue, there are plenty of ways to promote the car and increase sales. Just ask Dodge...
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The problem with marketing the Camaro is most car enthusiasts have the driving skill of a wet paper bag, but it takes no skill to just mash the right pedal and hold it to the floor. Dodge's advantage is they get to market to the lowest common denominator and GM built a track car that only a very small group of people have the skill level to appreciate.
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A lot of people see car sales, and think that GM is doing bad because they are 3rd, 2nd, 4th, etc., etc. It's like GM trucks. Everyone thinks that Fords are the best selling, and sure on paper they are until you add GMC sales to Silverado sales, and GM sells more or is right there. Meanwhile, Ford deeply discounts the F150s so that they can have bragging rights. GM has people that specifically study the market and tailor their strategy for maximum profits, not "best selling". About the one nameplate that GM is ok with going almost all in on is the Corvette (and to some extent the high end Caddies), but that's because the Corvette is a halo car. I mean they built a flat plane crank V8 for the Z06 which will be around at best for 3 years, which tells me that they can perform when they want to. |
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He worked for GM back in the day and has (had?) access to insider information.
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He worked for GM long before the Alpha Camaro. Mr. Balsa Wood floor himself drove Fbodfather’s Gen5 CTF test car. IIRC, he wasn’t with GM then. This always seemed like a bit of a tall tale from him. GM, the calculating machine, with processes and data, saying WTF …let’s just talk to a few guys before spending a billion. I’d bet the real story goes …the 2006 gen5 show car got lots of love (slammed roof and all) so they turned it into a successful production vehicle from 2010-2015. They figured Mustang and 911 successfully branded a shape/look so they’d do the same by evolving the look of gen5 into gen6….. https://www.motortrend.com/news/06ca...concept-photos
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The new version of the Z06. The new flat plane crank is something that might not be in production for that long given how fast the EV landscape is changing. https://www.motorauthority.com/news/...py-shots-video Who knows, maybe the flat plane crank will be turned into a hybrid, the instant torque of a small electric motor with the high NA horsepower of the new V8 would be interesting to see. Either way, for GM to have created the new Z06's flat plane crank V8, it shows that they aren't as dispassionate about cars as some in here have suggested. |
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I reckon not.
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You know there is a dodge forum? You guys can go talk about car sales and all the dodges we see on the road every day. I’m sure they have a section for Hellcats that have been in rap videos too.
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Be carefull you are stepping on a lot of Dodge toes here. These people need to talk about Dodges for when their engines blow up.
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You don't wanna go there. From lousy oily pumps and lifter failures to valve springs letting go on new motors neither side is a model for great craftsmanship or durability.
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Why not talk about why you bought a Camaro and kept it then. If people are unhappy with their Camaro sell it, trade it or move on.
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