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jon6.0 · 08-07-2014, 02:57 PM

Good to know. Thanks guys.

USAFS197 · 08-09-2014, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

Both header brands have great reviews & I don't think you can go wrong with either. That being said I'll put our header combo against any brand at any price. I don't care which brand you select, I'll easily put our headers against them in finish & power production.

I bought a set of 2" headers from you guys. I notice you left out the "fit" portion of that statement. I'm going to PM you.

GONIF · 08-09-2014, 05:46 PM

I know nothing about Texas Speed headers ,I have Stainless Power 1 -7/8 with HF cats on my car ,and they sound great, look great ,work great ,and fit great . No fitment issues of any kind ,slid right in with lots of clearance for the steering and frame .

TwentyTen2SSRS · 08-10-2014, 09:48 AM

In te same battle on which to order

thahemp · 08-10-2014, 10:46 AM

My TSP 1 7/8" headers fit just fine.

Josh @ Spartan LSX · 08-11-2014, 07:47 AM

We use the TSP headers all the time and have great results. They make the same power as all the others (or within 2-3hp).....However...

If you buy the TSP's, go ahead and do yourself a favor and check clearance on the passenger side where the primaries run past the frame. We've had to clearance the last 4-5 sets we've done right there because the header hits the frame while the customer is driving. This seems to be a common flaw on the TSP's, but considering the $ saved vs. other brands I consider it a minor inconvenience.

That would be the only advantage I'd say some of your other brands had is the fit is a tad better. Otherwise, the TSP is absolutely excellent for the $ spent.

rich3fan · 08-11-2014, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Josh @ Spartan LSX

We use the TSP headers all the time and have great results. They make the same power as all the others (or within 2-3hp).....However...

If you buy the TSP's, go ahead and do yourself a favor and check clearance on the passenger side where the primaries run past the frame. We've had to clearance the last 4-5 sets we've done right there because the header hits the frame while the customer is driving. This seems to be a common flaw on the TSP's, but considering the $ saved vs. other brands I consider it a minor inconvenience.

That would be the only advantage I'd say some of your other brands had is the fit is a tad better. Otherwise, the TSP is absolutely excellent for the $ spent.

Can you elaborate? What exactly did you do to make them clear the frame?

PalmerGA · 08-11-2014, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Blur

I still can't find anything supporting that. Can you link me to something that verifies this?

Well, crap... here we go again. In this same discussion (in another thread) about a month ago, I went to the source - Stainless Works. Here is the meat of the response I received:

"Our Stainless Power headers are manufactured in China. It is our design with their material and then the finished production and inspection is done here before we send it out. These come with a two year warranty..."

FYI for comparison, the Stainless Works headers are American made & manufactured with American stainless steel (AND... American labor rates). They cost more than twice as much than the SPs, but carry a Lifetime Warranty.

You get what you pay for.

And by the way, I went to the TS site and couldn't find any info on where their headers are made or what their warranty is.

GONIF · 08-11-2014, 12:02 PM

No offence to Josh and TSP ,but that "having to clearance" HAMMER TO FIT the headers is not something I find acceptable on a set of brand new headers in the 21st century . Most end users who install the headers them self would find that to be a problem. And most shops would first ask the customer if they would want the headers hammered /dimpled to fit B4 installing them .Back in the 60's this was some what more common and we had to do it sometimes on headers in the $60.00 price range Stainless Power headers are a great value ,and fit without a hammer. If you have good motor mounts and you need to Hammer To Fit then IMHO the headers are out of spec ,and the header manufacturer has a QC problem . If one brand fits without being hammered and another needs to be hammered on the same car ,then the headers are the problem . So while GM has it's own QC problems and it might be a GM QC problem ,the way to test this is to try to fit both brands on the same car and see where the fault lies . From the posts I have read ,this has been more often a TSP issue . Again I do not wish to disparage TSP ,but there are quite a number of people with fitment problems on here with TSP headers .

jon6.0 · 08-11-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GONIF

If you can afford a ZL1 ,a few bucks on the headers shouldn't bother you . That said Stainless Power headers are a great value ,and fit without a hammer.

It's not the extra cash I'm worried about. Fit is important to me. I would also rather have 2". Dimpling a tube is wasting the fact that it's 2" pipe. So if the 1 7/8" fit without banging shit in, I'll get those. Hell, I made 754rwhp through my Pfadt 1 3/4" Tri-Y headers on my LS3 C6.

*mlee* · 08-11-2014, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jon6.0

It's not the extra cash I'm worried about. Fit is important to me. I would also rather have 2". Dimpling a tube is wasting the fact that it's 2" pipe. So if the 1 7/8" fit without banging shit in, I'll get those. Hell, I made 754rwhp through my Pfadt 1 3/4" Tri-Y headers on my LS3 C6.

That's probably the main reason I went 1-7/8. Clearance around steering coupler is super tight and 2" just isn't worth it.

GONIF · 08-11-2014, 12:49 PM

I may be wrong ,but it is less of a problem with electric steering for steering shaft clearance .But as far as the frame clearance go's there should be no issue if you have good/new motor mounts. IMHO and that is all it is , if they fit keep them ,if they don't send them back . If they are made right ,they should fit without you having to be a BLACKSMITH. Now if you can afford the Kooks , Stainless Power ,or ARH then by all means do so ,because they are pretty nice en every way . I picked the SP for my own 1LE because I only planned to keep the car 2 years and had installed them on another Camaro for a friend and they looked good and slid right in without any problem what so ever.

GONIF · 08-11-2014, 01:05 PM

If money is no problem ,go with Kooks, ARH or Stainless Works 2 inchers . They look like jewelry ,and have perfect welds . I can not say they are going to make more power or last longer ,but it looks like a lot of effort went into the design and workmanship on those brands ,and it shows .

jon6.0 · 08-11-2014, 01:22 PM

I've had Kooks that didn't fit right, so spending money for a US brand isn't necessarily the solution. My buddy had to send back some ARH's as well.

08-07-2014, 02:57 PM	#29
jon6.0 Going for Plaid Drives: 2011 C6 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Phoenix Posts: 885	Good to know. Thanks guys. __________________ 2014 ZL1, manual trans, carbon hood insert, Rotofab, Pacesetter 1 7/8" headers, 1" drop BMR springs, stock pulleys, 91 octane tune, 545rwhp & 515rwtq Serviced and modded by Cordes Performance. 2011 C6, 750rwhp, forged LS3, ported LSA heads, Vortech Ti-trim, 227/243 115+4 Lunati cam, ported LS3 intake, Alky Control methanol, Pfadt sways/shocks/trans mounts, Pfadt tri-y headers(Sold 6/28/14)

08-09-2014, 05:46 PM	#31
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	I know nothing about Texas Speed headers ,I have Stainless Power 1 -7/8 with HF cats on my car ,and they sound great, look great ,work great ,and fit great . No fitment issues of any kind ,slid right in with lots of clearance for the steering and frame . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

08-10-2014, 09:48 AM	#32
TwentyTen2SSRS Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3,972 View My Garage	In te same battle on which to order __________________ Cold Air Inductions CAI • Stainless Power LT's with HFC's • Flowmaster American Thunder Cat Back • APEX Scoop and WW Relocation Kit • VMAX Ported Throttle Body • Custom Dyno Tune • Pfadt 1.25" Lowering Springs • ZL1 Rims on 275 front 315 Rear • custome underlay vinyl wrap • Anvil Spoiler • heritage grill • APR Front Splitter • Custom Emblempros emblems • ZL1 Side Skirts • 416.5 whp 410 torque (CURRENTLY) Up Next: BTR Stage 3 Cam and supporting mods (in garage now)

08-10-2014, 10:46 AM	#33
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	My TSP 1 7/8" headers fit just fine. __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

08-11-2014, 12:02 PM	#37
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	No offence to Josh and TSP ,but that "having to clearance" HAMMER TO FIT the headers is not something I find acceptable on a set of brand new headers in the 21st century . Most end users who install the headers them self would find that to be a problem. And most shops would first ask the customer if they would want the headers hammered /dimpled to fit B4 installing them .Back in the 60's this was some what more common and we had to do it sometimes on headers in the $60.00 price range Stainless Power headers are a great value ,and fit without a hammer. If you have good motor mounts and you need to Hammer To Fit then IMHO the headers are out of spec ,and the header manufacturer has a QC problem . If one brand fits without being hammered and another needs to be hammered on the same car ,then the headers are the problem . So while GM has it's own QC problems and it might be a GM QC problem ,the way to test this is to try to fit both brands on the same car and see where the fault lies . From the posts I have read ,this has been more often a TSP issue . Again I do not wish to disparage TSP ,but there are quite a number of people with fitment problems on here with TSP headers . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW Last edited by GONIF; 08-11-2014 at 12:34 PM.

08-11-2014, 07:47 AM	#34
Josh @ Spartan LSX Drives: A wrench Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: East Atlanta Posts: 353	We use the TSP headers all the time and have great results. They make the same power as all the others (or within 2-3hp).....However... If you buy the TSP's, go ahead and do yourself a favor and check clearance on the passenger side where the primaries run past the frame. We've had to clearance the last 4-5 sets we've done right there because the header hits the frame while the customer is driving. This seems to be a common flaw on the TSP's, but considering the $ saved vs. other brands I consider it a minor inconvenience. That would be the only advantage I'd say some of your other brands had is the fit is a tad better. Otherwise, the TSP is absolutely excellent for the $ spent.

08-11-2014, 12:49 PM	#40
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	I may be wrong ,but it is less of a problem with electric steering for steering shaft clearance .But as far as the frame clearance go's there should be no issue if you have good/new motor mounts. IMHO and that is all it is , if they fit keep them ,if they don't send them back . If they are made right ,they should fit without you having to be a BLACKSMITH. Now if you can afford the Kooks , Stainless Power ,or ARH then by all means do so ,because they are pretty nice en every way . I picked the SP for my own 1LE because I only planned to keep the car 2 years and had installed them on another Camaro for a friend and they looked good and slid right in without any problem what so ever. __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

08-11-2014, 01:05 PM	#41
GONIF Drives: 73 VETTE ,, 05 2500hd diesel,14 1LE Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: The Left lane PHOENIX AZ Posts: 2,626	If money is no problem ,go with Kooks, ARH or Stainless Works 2 inchers . They look like jewelry ,and have perfect welds . I can not say they are going to make more power or last longer ,but it looks like a lot of effort went into the design and workmanship on those brands ,and it shows . __________________ OLD GUY FLYING FAST AND LOW

08-11-2014, 01:22 PM	#42
jon6.0 Going for Plaid Drives: 2011 C6 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Phoenix Posts: 885	I've had Kooks that didn't fit right, so spending money for a US brand isn't necessarily the solution. My buddy had to send back some ARH's as well. __________________ 2014 ZL1, manual trans, carbon hood insert, Rotofab, Pacesetter 1 7/8" headers, 1" drop BMR springs, stock pulleys, 91 octane tune, 545rwhp & 515rwtq Serviced and modded by Cordes Performance. 2011 C6, 750rwhp, forged LS3, ported LSA heads, Vortech Ti-trim, 227/243 115+4 Lunati cam, ported LS3 intake, Alky Control methanol, Pfadt sways/shocks/trans mounts, Pfadt tri-y headers(Sold 6/28/14)