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MEDISIN · 07-01-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

New M3, M4 are trapping 117 to 119 mph , still think this is 1Le territory. Like I said this is a Z28 rival.

In a straight line not 1LE territory - more in line with Z/28. Around a track, I don't think the 1LE can keep up. The M3/M4 is putting down more power than the 1LE makes at the crank.
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=56

2014 Z/28
Car&Driver: 0-60: 4.4 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.7 @ 116mph
MotorTrend: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117.2mph
Road&Track: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 118mph
Automobile: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117mph

2015 M3 DCT and soft launch
1/4 mile: 12.58 @ 118.7mph
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1000665

alaskacamaro · 07-01-2014, 05:57 PM

A Z/28 would win on a drag and destroy an M3/M4 on the track IMO.

However, the M would be a much nicer DD.

ENV US · 07-01-2014, 08:07 PM

You won't find very many posters of BMW's on teenage boy bedroom walls.

L99CAMA2011 · 07-01-2014, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ENV US

You won't find very many posters of BMW's on teenage boy bedroom walls.

True. I also still think the Z28 would be victorious around the Nurburgring.

mikeSS · 07-03-2014, 03:28 AM

The bottom line is that i left chevy for a M3. I loved the outgoing high revving V8 engine. even though its not even that fast of a car.

these new M cars suck, they sound like shit. no cares how fast they are. You guys should see how much hate people have for this car on the M forums.

cant wait to get back with chevy with a Z06.

alaskacamaro · 07-03-2014, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeSS

The bottom line is that i left chevy for a M3. I loved the outgoing high revving V8 engine. even though its not even that fast of a car.

these new M cars suck, they sound like shit. no cares how fast they are. You guys should see how much hate people have for this car on the M forums.

cant wait to get back with chevy with a Z06.

Are they coming with simulated engine sounds that are piped through the in car speakers? I understand a lot of euro cars are starting to do that.

mikeSS · 07-03-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by alaskacamaro

Are they coming with simulated engine sounds that are piped through the in car speakers? I understand a lot of euro cars are starting to do that.

the m4 plays engine noise in the cars audio speakers. yes.

With the Z/28 you get a beautiful naturally aspirated v8 compared to this trash.

I dont care how fast a car is, if it sounds like this whats the point?

McRat · 07-03-2014, 04:12 PM

Europe is going Ghetto...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114525

Sparklers on F1 Cars? Are you for real?

NinoSS · 07-03-2014, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

In a straight line not 1LE territory - more in line with Z/28. Around a track, I don't think the 1LE can keep up. The M3/M4 is putting down more power than the 1LE makes at the crank.
http://www.n54tech.com/forums/showpo...9&postcount=56

2014 Z/28
Car&Driver: 0-60: 4.4 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.7 @ 116mph
MotorTrend: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117.2mph
Road&Track: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.2 @ 118mph
Automobile: 0-60: 4.0 sec; 1/4 mile: 12.3 @ 117mph

2015 M3 DCT and soft launch
1/4 mile: 12.58 @ 118.7mph
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho....php?t=1000665

Look at the peak boost, 19.5lbs!!! Prior to my SS I had a JB3 on 135i (N54) and the car was trapping over 110 @ 13-14lbs... This is not a surprise that M3/4's are fast... I wonder how these things are going to last if they are continuously pushed at the track? Time will tell...

For reference I have also owned 2 E46 M3's, 2 b5 S4's (nicely modded), the aforementioned 135i (nicely modded), and 5 Camaros (83' Z28, 90' IROC 1LE, 94' SS, 01' SS and current SS). All said, give me a strong V8 any day...

Just my 2c... carry on...

trademaster · 07-04-2014, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeSS

The bottom line is that i left chevy for a M3. I loved the outgoing high revving V8 engine. even though its not even that fast of a car.

these new M cars suck, they sound like shit. no cares how fast they are.

You sure have some strange priorities for a car enthusiast.

mikeSS · 07-05-2014, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by trademaster

You sure have some strange priorities for a car enthusiast.

This is what i want in a car.
-looks great
-sounds great
-performs great

my budget is anything sub 100k. I can get a car that will hit all those points.

IMO if a car doesn't sound good, its lacking a important trait for a overall great car. I would expect V8 muscle cars guys to understand this.

Just like all those built STIs out there with like 700HP. At the end of the day they are 4 cylinders cars that many 16 year old kids drive.

I get cars that are driven by men, and sound like it also.

Number 3 · 07-05-2014, 08:51 AM

So how about this then. I heard a Solstice GXP years ago that had mechanical valves on the intake that gave it a V8 sound. Not pumped in via the radio (which I have many discussions with my GM car guy buddies around "GENUINENESS"....LOL if that is even a word).

But yes mechanical valving that made the car sound just like a V8.

For me it's still FAKE!!\

But I'm a purest.

Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying V8 or die (even though that's part of the reason I have a Chevy SS now instead of the Audi S4). I have no problems listening to any engine developed for performance, 4, 6, 8 and yes even 10 or 12. A Viper does sound worse for having 2 extra cylinders.

I'm just saying faking under the hood is akin to faking it in the sack....................just sayin'

DarkneSS · 07-05-2014, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mikeSS

This is what i want in a car.
-looks great
-sounds great
-performs great

my budget is anything sub 100k. I can get a car that will hit all those points.

IMO if a car doesn't sound good, its lacking a important trait for a overall great car. I would expect V8 muscle cars guys to understand this.

Just like all those built STIs out there with like 700HP. At the end of the day they are 4 cylinders cars that many 16 year old kids drive.

I get cars that are driven by men, and sound like it also.

What about aftermarket exhausts for these new Ms? My buddy has titanium mufflers on his boosted E46 and it sounds real nice. You know you're going to mod it anyway so I wouldn't judge solely based off stock sound.

Imo I think these new Ms are amazing and with a few exterior mods they look boss.

mikeSS · 07-05-2014, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkneSS

What about aftermarket exhausts for these new Ms? My buddy has titanium mufflers on his boosted E46 and it sounds real nice. You know you're going to mod it anyway so I wouldn't judge solely based off stock sound.

Imo I think these new Ms are amazing and with a few exterior mods they look boss.

heres Akrpovic - F80 M

heres a modded stock exhaust F80 M

Remember though the E46 and the E92 are high revving N/A engines with individual throttle bodies.they will sound better. heres a E92 with a exhuast setup

Doesn't matter what exhaust is on these cars. Its a 3.0L twin trubo engine. fundamentally its not made to sound good. Even guys on the M forums agree on this!

07-03-2014, 04:12 PM	#64
McRat Drives: 2010 ZR1 "Satan" Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Norco, CA Posts: 1,183	Europe is going Ghetto... http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114525 Sparklers on F1 Cars? Are you for real? __________________ 2002 Z06 "Blue Meanie" 11.36 ET 2003 Z06 in progress 2009 CTS-V "Spooky" 12.36 ET, bone stock at 1600 mi. Rainy day in Sacramento. Sadness. 2010 ZR1 "Satan" no times yet. 2013 Volt SCCA Solo2 #771 HS3. And a bunch of Duramaxes.

07-05-2014, 08:51 AM	#68
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,172 View My Garage	So how about this then. I heard a Solstice GXP years ago that had mechanical valves on the intake that gave it a V8 sound. Not pumped in via the radio (which I have many discussions with my GM car guy buddies around "GENUINENESS"....LOL if that is even a word). But yes mechanical valving that made the car sound just like a V8. For me it's still FAKE!!\ But I'm a purest. Don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying V8 or die (even though that's part of the reason I have a Chevy SS now instead of the Audi S4). I have no problems listening to any engine developed for performance, 4, 6, 8 and yes even 10 or 12. A Viper does sound worse for having 2 extra cylinders. I'm just saying faking under the hood is akin to faking it in the sack....................just sayin' __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

07-01-2014, 05:57 PM	#58
alaskacamaro Drives: 2012 2SS 45TH Anniversary Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Kentucky Posts: 720	A Z/28 would win on a drag and destroy an M3/M4 on the track IMO. However, the M would be a much nicer DD.

07-01-2014, 08:07 PM	#59
ENV US Drives: 2011 Synergy Green RS, 1999 Camaro Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 325	You won't find very many posters of BMW's on teenage boy bedroom walls.

07-03-2014, 03:28 AM	#61
mikeSS Drives: 2015 c7 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MI Posts: 7,462	The bottom line is that i left chevy for a M3. I loved the outgoing high revving V8 engine. even though its not even that fast of a car. these new M cars suck, they sound like shit. no cares how fast they are. You guys should see how much hate people have for this car on the M forums. cant wait to get back with chevy with a Z06.