CHEVY VOLT DENIED CALIFORNIA TAX CREDIT

motorhead · 10-30-2010, 05:17 PM

VOLT DENIED CALIFORNIA TAX CREDIT
In an astonishing development, the California Air Resources Board is rating the emissions of the Chevrolet Volt several levels below other cars. For example, it’s rated worse than a Volkswagen Jetta TDI or a Toyota Prius, and the same as a Honda Civic. There are two problems here. In testing the Volt with the engine running it emits a fraction of a gram over the limit for hydrocarbons. This, despite the fact that all Volt owners will be trying to run their cars in electric mode as much as possible, meaning those engines will not come on very often. The other problem is that the California Air Resources Board has set a 10-year 150,000-mile warranty for the battery pack in hybrids. But the battery pack in the Volt only comes with an eight-year 100,000-mile warranty. That’s the same warranty that Nissan offers with the LEAF. But because the LEAF only has batteries it does not have to meet the more stringent warranty. As a result, the Chevy Volt does not qualify for a $3000 tax credit from the state of California. GM says it will qualify for the cleanest emissions level, but it will take several years to get there because it first wanted to qualify as an ultra low emissions vehicle in all 50 states, rather than just concentrating on meeting California’s standard. To me this is crazy. It’s an example of overly complex regulations that stifle innovation and creativity, and limit consumer choice due to mere technicalities.

This was from Autoline Dailey.

I don't know what they are smoking out there ,but I think they all must be crazy.

FenwickHockey65 · 10-30-2010, 05:52 PM

Yup, California completely ignored the fact that no emissions are produced for the first 25-50 miles of driving.

motorhead · 10-30-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Yup, California completely ignored the fact that no emissions are produced for the first 25-50 miles of driving.

They must be totally insane. I hope this doesn't hurt it before it has a chance to proof itself. I swear that governments doesn't want advancement of any kind to happen these days.

Revo1 · 10-30-2010, 06:05 PM

Sounds like it's back to the drawing board for GM... That's a major selling point down the drain for this car.

rmnc3r · 10-30-2010, 06:10 PM

Another way to look at it is "not tax-payer subsidized"; one less reason for me to pay more in taxes so someone else can get a break. True environmentalist should pay full price for their folly, and not force unwilling tax payers to foot part of their bill.

CamaroScotty · 10-30-2010, 07:25 PM

They'll give one to Arnold. It will all be cool.

POWERFREAK · 10-30-2010, 07:30 PM

California FAIL

*Mr. Wyndham* · 10-30-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by motorhead

They must be totally insane. I hope this doesn't hurt it before it has a chance to proof itself. I swear that governments doesn't want advancement of any kind to happen these days.

Only in California. They have no influence over the fed's $7500 credit.

It seems I have a brand new reason to hate that state every month (no offense, California brothers!!)

d69chris · 10-30-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rmnc3r

Another way to look at it is "not tax-payer subsidized"; one less reason for me to pay more in taxes so someone else can get a break. True environmentalist should pay full price for their folly, and not force unwilling tax payers to foot part of their bill.

+1

d69chris · 10-30-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Only in California. They have no influence over the fed's $7500 credit.

It seems I have a brand new reason to hate that state every month (no offense, California brothers!!)

No offense taken...........most of the politicians here are nutz & CARB is out of CONTROL!

*Mr. Wyndham* · 10-30-2010, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by d69chris

No offense taken...........most of the politicians here are nutz & CARB is out of CONTROL!

I'm sure. NY is almost as bad.....
Vote them out!!!

a_Username · 10-30-2010, 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motorhead

VOLT DENIED CALIFORNIA TAX CREDIT
In an astonishing development, the California Air Resources Board is rating the emissions of the Chevrolet Volt several levels below other cars. For example, it’s rated worse than a Volkswagen Jetta TDI or a Toyota Prius, and the same as a Honda Civic. There are two problems here. In testing the Volt with the engine running it emits a fraction of a gram over the limit for hydrocarbons. This, despite the fact that all Volt owners will be trying to run their cars in electric mode as much as possible, meaning those engines will not come on very often. The other problem is that the California Air Resources Board has set a 10-year 150,000-mile warranty for the battery pack in hybrids. But the battery pack in the Volt only comes with an eight-year 100,000-mile warranty. That’s the same warranty that Nissan offers with the LEAF. But because the LEAF only has batteries it does not have to meet the more stringent warranty. As a result, the Chevy Volt does not qualify for a $3000 tax credit from the state of California. GM says it will qualify for the cleanest emissions level, but it will take several years to get there because it first wanted to qualify as an ultra low emissions vehicle in all 50 states, rather than just concentrating on meeting California’s standard. To me this is crazy. It’s an example of overly complex regulations that stifle innovation and creativity, and limit consumer choice due to mere technicalities.

This was from Autoline Dailey.

I don't know what they are smoking out there ,but I think they all must be crazy.

Welcome to the United States. California needs to be kicked out of the union lol.

Morepwr · 10-30-2010, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Only in California. They have no influence over the fed's $7500 credit.

It seems I have a brand new reason to hate that state every month (no offense, California brothers!!)

True. But this stupid state was "supposed" to give another $5K credit on top of the federal credit. Amazing how they can screw stuff up this bad.

And no offense taken! I hate the political scene here.

98_Camaro · 10-30-2010, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

I'm sure. NY is almost as bad.....
Vote them out!!!

Yep. CA's pretty bad.
It really sucks when you have to pay $200 for a CA-certified catalytic converter as opposed to $80 49-state legal one.
Did I mention that's just for that cat? A full setup runs about $550+ as opposed to a $300 49-state setup.

10-30-2010, 05:17 PM	#1
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,850	CHEVY VOLT DENIED CALIFORNIA TAX CREDIT VOLT DENIED CALIFORNIA TAX CREDIT In an astonishing development, the California Air Resources Board is rating the emissions of the Chevrolet Volt several levels below other cars. For example, it’s rated worse than a Volkswagen Jetta TDI or a Toyota Prius, and the same as a Honda Civic. There are two problems here. In testing the Volt with the engine running it emits a fraction of a gram over the limit for hydrocarbons. This, despite the fact that all Volt owners will be trying to run their cars in electric mode as much as possible, meaning those engines will not come on very often. The other problem is that the California Air Resources Board has set a 10-year 150,000-mile warranty for the battery pack in hybrids. But the battery pack in the Volt only comes with an eight-year 100,000-mile warranty. That’s the same warranty that Nissan offers with the LEAF. But because the LEAF only has batteries it does not have to meet the more stringent warranty. As a result, the Chevy Volt does not qualify for a $3000 tax credit from the state of California. GM says it will qualify for the cleanest emissions level, but it will take several years to get there because it first wanted to qualify as an ultra low emissions vehicle in all 50 states, rather than just concentrating on meeting California’s standard. To me this is crazy. It’s an example of overly complex regulations that stifle innovation and creativity, and limit consumer choice due to mere technicalities. This was from Autoline Dailey. I don't know what they are smoking out there ,but I think they all must be crazy.

10-30-2010, 05:52 PM	#2
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	Yup, California completely ignored the fact that no emissions are produced for the first 25-50 miles of driving. __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

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Revo1 Don't Like it? Suggit. Drives: 2010 2SS/RS Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 14,832 View My Garage	Sounds like it's back to the drawing board for GM... That's a major selling point down the drain for this car. __________________ "Tops off, tach up baby- loud and proud!" A Camaro lover from day one- 1996 3.8 V6 Camaro, to 1996 5.7 LT1 Camaro Z28, to the sold 2002 5.7 LS1 Camaro SS, and NOW, a [I]6.2 L99 VR 2SS/RS: XS Power stainless full exhaust, Airaid CAI, BMR drop springs and sways, custom tune by Cal Speed- 411rwhp

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