07-14-2020, 09:24 PM | #1 |
Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Burlington
Posts: 2
|
Centrifugal or Root style for my stock 2011 ss LS3
My car is stock beside a cold air intake and Flowmasters. It is a 6 speed and my mostly everyday driver. I have gone back and forth on this for a few years but I finally got the funds and I need help. I like the powered ban on the root style but worry about traction problems and the power ban for the centrifugal sounds like fun only on the highway. I want the instant power but I also want the pull on the highway. I was thinking of a procharger d1-sc stage 2 with meth but now a roots style is what a dyno shop says would be better for street and it generates less heat. If you have had this dilemma and did make a choice and have 2 cents i would to happy to hear it. Thanks in advance.
|
07-14-2020, 11:03 PM | #2 |
Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Vance Alabama
Posts: 8,019
|
My car had a Paxton on it for 2 years of its life. Made 682rwhp on 12psi. Car pulled hard up top but you had to keep the revs up since it only had 2.5psi at 2500rpm. My wife's Terminator has basic bolt ons and upper and lower pulleys with the ported stock blower. Her car has 500ish rwhp and its slower than my car for sure. Her car however was more fun to drive because of the instant 17psi of boost lol.
|
07-14-2020, 11:41 PM | #3 |
Account Suspended
Drives: 2013 Sparkly Red One Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: Hospitality State
Posts: 2,558
|
A friend is running high 9s with a Procharger, cam, headers, etc on SBE, stock trans, stock suspension. Roots creates too much heat. If I had it to do over again, I would have gone twins or Procharger.
My roots eats him in 1/8 but he is pulling hard on the big end. Additionally, if your shop said roots creates less heat, find another shop. They are wrong. |
07-15-2020, 07:00 AM | #4 |
I.AM.
Drives: 2011 2SS/RS/A6 cammed-n-whippled Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: NY
Posts: 2,638
|
Personally, I like centri with a manual trans. They are easier on the drivetrain and traction is easier. I had an ecs paxton and didn't regret it, the power was certainly there. If you think it needs more low end, you could always swap out the rear gears for 3.73 or 3.90's.
__________________
NY5thgen.com
|
07-15-2020, 07:20 AM | #5 |
Drives: 2010 Camaro SS2,L99, LSA SC Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 2,149
|
What do you mean by street? If driving curvy back roads, the low end torque of a roots style is the way I went.
|
07-15-2020, 07:34 AM | #6 |
Drives: 2014 Camaro SS 1Le Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: IL
Posts: 1,592
|
Centri—- FTW
__________________
2014 SS 1LE Money Pit/ Forged 402
CAM 22X/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA/ LS9 Heads FIC 1200cc/DSX Aux Pump//McLeod RXT Clutch 730whp: 630Trq |
07-15-2020, 09:13 AM | #7 |
Drives: 2011 Camaro SS 6sp Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: Drivers Seat
Posts: 1,904
|
I would agree with Vegas on the heat subject. A centri would generate the least amount of heat compared to a roots or turbo(s).
You cant go wrong with a D1sc or X.
__________________
2011 Camaro SS---SOLD
TMS Dart 427 FED M311s, ESS Tuning G4 Blower, DSX Triple FP Assembly, DSX FF, FIC1300, Mcleod RXT 1200HD, Edlebrock Pro Flo XT 1158whp 1017wtq. 2010 CTS-V A6 - "Stock" SOLD 630whp 658wtq 2024 F-150 RCSB 5.0 4x4 waiting for tunes... |
07-15-2020, 02:16 PM | #8 |
Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS LS3 Whipple Join Date: May 2019
Location: Connecticut
Posts: 1,925
|
This really has to do with personal preference. I love the instant torque of a PD (roots). There is more of a power band feel to a centri as the boost starts off lower and climbs so it feels much different. I do not like the sound of a centri most are very noisey and sound like a damn jet. I like the whine of a PD (tho my whipple is quiet). Easier to make more power out of a centri if you are racing. PD is tougher on parts with the insta-torque. I would do my PD over again for my uses, if I were drag racing all the time I probably would have gone TT for max effort.
__________________
Whipple 2.9 CAI ID1050x injectors ZL1 Pump JRE FPCM JMS Voltage booster JRE Rough Idle blower cam BTR .660 springs CHE trunnion kit 1 7/8 Speed Engineering Borla Atak JRE scoop 1.5" lowering springs BMR trailing arms and toe links Cradle inserts 704WHP 603WTQ 93 octane
|
07-15-2020, 03:36 PM | #9 |
Grumpy Grey-haired Guy
Drives: Camaro, Corvette & Merc C300(daily) Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: South Warwickshire, UK.
Posts: 806
|
Rootes style blower whine for the win. Gospel. Amen.
__________________
---------------------------------------------------------
|
07-15-2020, 07:40 PM | #10 |
Dan
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS IOM Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Georgia, USA not the other one
Posts: 1,041
|
I am happy with my Vortech YSi. It is nice not being in boost for easy around town driving (2200rpm and below) but when the boost hits... whoo yah! Also my coolant temps are 178-185 in town in 95deg heat....
__________________
Dan
2010 IOM SS YSI-B, Pat G Cam, Ported CTS-V Heads, ARH LTs MBRP 3" exhaust http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...&highlight=ysi |
07-15-2020, 07:53 PM | #11 |
Drives: 2014 Camaro SS 1Le Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: IL
Posts: 1,592
|
Oh and when you hear the jet engine at WOT with the centri, then it goes PSSSSHHHHHHH bc of the BOV.... intoxicating.. lol.
__________________
2014 SS 1LE Money Pit/ Forged 402
CAM 22X/24X, .619/.617, 113 LSA/ LS9 Heads FIC 1200cc/DSX Aux Pump//McLeod RXT Clutch 730whp: 630Trq |
07-15-2020, 08:26 PM | #12 |
Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Vance Alabama
Posts: 8,019
|
I've yet to be in a PD, Centri or Turbo car that you couldnt cruise around in without going into boost. That's all vacuum dependent.
|
07-15-2020, 08:33 PM | #13 |
The best way I think you can make this decision is to take a look at how you run through the gears. If you mostly stay lower in the RPM band then a roots seems more appropriate. If you're banging against red line frequently then centri is more appropriate. That's the overly simplistic break down.
On the issue of heat, roots do produce a significant amount of heat but it is entirely manageable. I have used phenolic material as spacers between the blower and manifold which helped with heat soak, and a good fmic to cool your water for your manifold IC also greatly helps with IAT temps. For a centri, heat soak isn't so much the issue as is heat from the compression. This is managed by smart piping and a good air-to-air fmic (typically, not exclusively). Having driven both daily, I am partial to the roots as a daily. I like way power is applied with a roots, and the sound is consuming. I cant wait until I have the funds to add a roots blower to this car.
__________________
2010 Camaro 2SS
2018 Charger GT+ 2005 Cavailer LS S/C - Sold '87 HD FXRT - Wrecked pending repair |
|
07-16-2020, 09:53 AM | #14 |
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS ABM 6M Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Kansas
Posts: 617
|
I am personally torn on this as well. I knew from the minute I drove this car, it was gonna get some boost one day...but here I am years later, still cant decide which route I'd even want to go. Leaning towards centri for a few reasons - less stress on parts, more room to grow, and will play nicely with the NA cam I have in there.
However, the instant torque of the roots would likely be a ton of fun, especially since mine is basically just street car that will hit the track on occasion. In the end, it may just come down to what I end up finding the best deal on when it's time to pull the trigger. I don't think either is a horrible choice!
__________________
2010 ABM 2SS/RS LS3 6 Speed -- Rotofab CAI | Speed Engineering 1 7/8" Longtubes w/ cat Delete | Magnaflow competition catback | TSP 231/246 cam| TSP/PAC .660" Spring Kit | TSP CNC Ported Heads | Bo White PTB | GPI Ported/RM Intake | 3.91's | BC Catch Can | MGW Shifter | BMR 1" Drop Springs | BMR Trailing arms/Toe Rods/Rear UCA Bushings | Pegasus Subframe Mounts
|
|
|
|
|