05-15-2016, 07:16 PM | #295 | |
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Warranty Denials are different, and though the burden of proof is on GM, they can deny it until they're blue in the face, until you actually file a claim/pursue legal action.
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05-15-2016, 07:23 PM | #296 |
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OP's post about GM's "final resolution" seems fishy to me... One minute, seeking compensation / warranty work and now, totally accepting of the big corporate middle finger... Hmmm..
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05-15-2016, 07:24 PM | #297 |
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Something doesn't add up. I think GM has offered to help with the rebuild "under the table." Only way it makes sense to drop the issue and "accept" GM's resolution.
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05-15-2016, 07:25 PM | #298 |
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I like my Camaro and will not be selling it. But I do hold companies responsible for their actions. This will make it hard for me to consider future GM purchases.
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05-15-2016, 07:27 PM | #299 | |
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Now, the tricky aspect of this case, is that they blocked the warranty, and stopped the work before they discovered what the actual issue was. So, not knowing what actually failed, or what actually caused the failure, they may simply have to supply sufficient evidence that a catch can, or change to the PCV system could create loss of oil pressure. From what I read in the original post, we never really found out even if the oil pump did actually fail, much less what caused it. GM stopped the tear down. I am not an expert on Magnuson Moss, but it seems to me that the consumer protection part of it is more about keeping manufacturers from gouging consumers on replacement parts. If not for this protection, for example, we might be required to replace the air filter with AC Delco, which they could charge an artificially inflated price for, and we would have to pay that or risk losing the warranty. Adding some thing that modifies the structure or operation of a factory system, on the other hand, creates a situation where a manufacturer can deny warranty. This situation means that it is up to the consumer to prove that the failure was indeed a manufacture defect, and not caused by the modification to the factory engineered system. Like I said, I'm no expert, but this appears to be where GM is drawing their line in the sand. Whether this is right or wrong, I guess depends on what side of that line you're standing on. Both sides have valid points. I guess the lesson learned here is that if you are going to modify anything on your car, and still expect warranty coverage, talk with your service manager before making the jump. If they give you the A-Okay, then I might suggest taking the car to that dealer for any issues. Remember, this all started when a tech, at a non Chevrolet dealership had to put in a call to the T.A.C. because he wasn't sure either what the catch can was, or how to go about the repair. A mod friendly Chevrolet dealer wouldn't have needed to do this, and there wouldn't have been an issue. They would've just replaced the pump, charged it to warranty, and be done with it. And of course, anyone who decides they will never buy GM again because of this case, is free to do so. However, there is no guarantee that any other manufacturer would handle this any differently. |
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05-15-2016, 07:31 PM | #300 |
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Better question: Who has had any aftermarket part installed and had warranty work done after the install?
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05-15-2016, 07:37 PM | #301 | |
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My dad had this happen to him in the late 60's with a Ford. It wasn't until he got up early on a Saturday morning, when the dealer was usally busy selling cars, that he parked the pile of crap as to block the show room doors and painted a huge lemon it. He moved it only when the owner of the dealership personally came down and alllowed him a replacement. We ended up with a black Fairlane fastback that was a great car. He was a master sergeant in the army and didn't take crap from no one. He's and old man now and still doesn't. Lol |
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05-15-2016, 07:39 PM | #302 |
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As ChrisLS3 says we don't know for sure that the oil pump failed but it is a likely culprit knowing the history of oil pump failures. I find it strange the dealer began the tear down without authorization to proceed from GM unless I missed something in all of the posts?
I would still be hammering on the dealer for running an oil starved car to diagnose it thats just brain dead! It should have not been run further until a root cause was determined. If we have to let the car run until it goes boom to determine lack of oil pressure then we may as well start buying lottery tickets next.... |
05-15-2016, 07:41 PM | #303 |
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Like others have said, something real fishy going on here.... One moment, the guy is looking to get his camaro fixed under warranty for a "known issue", the next minute he goes on to state how it is ok and totally understands being given the middle finger.
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05-15-2016, 07:44 PM | #304 |
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That would be plausible. When there is an out of court settlement the records are sealed and neither party is allowed to talk about it afterward. Still, I'd like to believe that the petition had a part in this.
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05-15-2016, 07:47 PM | #305 |
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But the OP clearly stated he was up Schits Creek on his own. I would think he would have said sorry I can't comment further. I think he got screwed and tatooed
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05-15-2016, 07:49 PM | #306 |
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I had exhaust and CAI installed and still got my oil pan and oil cooler lines installed under warranty no questions asked.....
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05-15-2016, 07:51 PM | #308 | |
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Also, that's what is currently displayed on their web site. The actual text of the 2015 warranty reads a little differently.
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