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10-02-2022, 12:14 PM | #58 | |
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With grip, stock the ZLE is better, but the car is portly when pushing and while you can hide it with slicks, you just go faster and the same problems happen. It still needs work at the sharp end. The stock aero is good, but also limited as far as a high performing track vehicle is concerned. Powerwise, they run well, but overheat and you end up having to add coolers and end up doing the same mods as an SS. (headers, cam, etc) To be clear, I would have loved to have had a ZLE, but I couldn't swing it and this car when done, will crush a stock ZLE for the same or slightly less money at MSRP.
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10-02-2022, 12:18 PM | #59 | |
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The software is pretty basic but looks easy enough to use, but you are certainly correct that writing a custom tune will be time consuming both on the computer and in testing, and you need to know a lot about damping given how many options you have for programming it. However, I do think there's a lot to be gained as the OEM setup uses pretty soft springs and ft roll bar. I'm thinking about getting springs that would compliment the Vorshlag camber plates which drop the front end around 3/8"", so the springs would drop the rear more than the front to account for that, give you about 1" total drop and increase spring rate over OEM, but I also need to make sure the rebound damping can be adjusted to work with the increased spring rates, this may be the limiting factor on increasing spring rates using the OEM magride dampers. I think this would be a major improvement and not cost nearly as much as other options, and it would preserve a lot of the street-friendly ride the SLE has stock as well. The complete DSC coilover system looks really cool, but it's not cheap!
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10-02-2022, 12:23 PM | #60 | |
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In my personal experience, MECHANICALENG is quicker in the infield/technical section on his SS-1LE than I was, but it comes down to power and not chassis. I have to be careful not to spin mid-corner so I am more tentative with the throttle where he's just having a good time stalking me. On corner exits it's not even close and I just run away. On the corner entries I'm consistently carrying 10-15mph more than he is so there's more speed to scrub off and more loading of the front possibly pushing. It doesn't have anything to do with the chassis itself. If you start adding more power to the SS-1LE like you said it becomes pandora's box and the point of diminishing returns. |
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10-02-2022, 12:35 PM | #62 |
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Lets keep in mind NG329 that Greg is running on 3s. Can you imagine what he can do with 3rs? Maybe we should lend him a set one of these days to see what happens
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10-02-2022, 12:49 PM | #63 |
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I've been begging him to get on some R compound but that stubborn buzzard refuses to do it. He's getting 6 days out of the 3s. If you really want the SS talk to him. I think he's ready to move onto something else.
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10-02-2022, 01:41 PM | #64 | |
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Bone Stock SS1LE vs ZLE on street tires:
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10-02-2022, 02:08 PM | #65 |
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To settle this we need to trade cars greg! And get ken to come drive with us in his car!
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10-02-2022, 02:48 PM | #66 |
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Fact check for you... ZLE has more weight over front axles which is due to not only the supercharger on top of the engine which is bad for CG since the higher the weight is above the vehicle altitudinal center the harder it is to lower CG. Add to this the fact that the ZLE utilizes 390 mm front rotors and a different caliper that weigh ~ 32 lbs per side vs SS 1LE which are ~25.2 lbs per side, roughly 14 lbs additional rotating weight over the front axle. I won't bother to go into the impacts of rotating weight that moves at wheel speed and how this effects suspension pefromance since this is lost on you anyway. While the chassis is indeed the same the SS 1LE doesn't have the extra cooling needed for the supercharger... last time I checked this was on the front of the car. Finally, the misinformation here is coming from you... including the ~2.14 equivalent HP per pound of weight reduction that rotates at engine speed. As for your drag racing comment... again you are mistaken, plenty of road race teams use lightweight flywheels and clutches, maybe you should do a little fact-checking before you decide to correct someone, it would bode well for you.
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10-02-2022, 06:50 PM | #67 | |
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10-02-2022, 07:30 PM | #68 |
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That's exactly the point I was making earlier. Provoste and Steelankles both have several tracks where they posted lap times in SS 1LEs and ZLEs. Unsurprisingly, the ZLE lap time is always faster.
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It was hard, but I finally saw the light. GT3 > ZL1-1LE It hurts but at least I am saved. |
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