[G6SS]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

Exactly. What will my money get for me performance wise? That's how most people look at it. The Camaro enthusiast can beat the drum loud for a long time but at the end of the day it's competing with used cars and modders the whole time.

GM isn't sending my kids birthday cards, they don't care about me personally. They are here to make a profit. They can price things however they like. My post about the 2012 Mustang with a supercharger is real in the car market. If they want to get ridiculous with pricing people will just move to a product that they feel is worth their money.

You can do that with any car. That is always going to be an option. Not many people want to spend an extra 10k in parts and labor to add a super charger and the problems down the road the will have to deal with. There are always issues when you add FI to a car like, ALWAYS. People pay what they pay for new cars for the warranty, the "new" aspect of it such as new body style, new performance increases, and new technology.

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by Vade46

I work at a dealer and it's still very hard to get these cars. I could sell many more of them if I could get my hands on em.

In my area there are some that have been sitting on the dealer lots for 3 months. Go to car Guru and search for new Camaros in your area, it will give the rundown on what is available and how long its been for sale. I still see the same cars that I test drove 3 months ago. I don't want those cars because I want the latest build date hoping they have the bugs worked out.

[Raven87]

The '16 is overpriced only when you compare it to the Challenger or Mustang.

But neither of those cars has the performance, features, or bang for your buck that the SS does.

However - to most everyday buyers, those things matter less than the bottom line and live by the 'How much will my payment be?' mantra.

Cheaper Mustang/Challenger equals cheaper monthly payment, plain and simple.

We enthusiasts don't use that measurement as much as most but still, it is a HUGE factor to MOST buyers.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Advertising is a must especially when the new model looks so similar to the old model.

I can agree with that. I think the media reviews are not nearly as effective in advertising as some think.

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The advantage to the 1SS is you can always add the door lighting and leather seats (either OEM takeoffs or Katzkin) later for less than the price of a 2SS upgrade.

True, if all you care about is leather and door lighting. To me the HUD, heated/cooled seats, better interior surfaces, BLS, and rear X traffic were what I wanted. That's where the 2SS offers a good deal, especially when you look at the disaster packaging in the LT cars. I think this was a major miss and could be why LTs aren't selling that well. Which is it carried the volume in past years. The 6th gen sales distribution is going to end up matching the Challenger at this rate.

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by Raven87

The '16 is overpriced only when you compare it to the Challenger or Mustang.

But neither of those cars has the performance, features, or bang for your buck that the SS does.

However - to most everyday buyers, those things matter less than the bottom line and live by the 'How much will my payment be?' mantra.

Cheaper Mustang/Challenger equals cheaper monthly payment, plain and simple.

We enthusiasts don't use that measurement as much as most but still, it is a HUGE factor to MOST buyers.

You're looking at it from a V8 perspective. The sales key is in the low end models. Need to find out why Camaro LTs aren't selling.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

IMO, and i know some dont want to hear it, This car is a computer and not a drivers car, that is nice for a Ero car but not a pony car, Camaro's where first and always a pony car, GM lost sight of that in this car, and in so doing they have moved away from there core buyers, in time this may work out for them, but now you need to sale this car to an all new market.

To me this car was made with a new set of people and they dont know what the car was, that gave them a blank sheet of paper, and they made it this way, not looking back on the heritage of the car.

After talking to some people with knowledge on what it took to bring the 5th gen to life, this car does not have the same fit of all panels and trim, we have to say this car is not in the same class as the 5th gen, no one believes this but its a fact.

I hope they sale a lot more cars so there is a 7th gen, and IMO the sooner the better.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by Marty McFlew

In my area there are some that have been sitting on the dealer lots for 3 months. Go to car Guru and search for new Camaros in your area, it will give the rundown on what is available and how long its been for sale. I still see the same cars that I test drove 3 months ago. I don't want those cars because I want the latest build date hoping they have the bugs worked out.

Checked car guru (thanks for that site btw!) and searched for 2016 on the lot 30-200 days. Result was 136 within 50 miles. On the lot for 0-30 days was 99. Total of 235 2016 Camaros within 50 miles of my zip.

[SpookShow'84]

Here's a question.

Why hasn't this car sold? Been for sale for a while and made the Camaro6 facebook newsfeed on 4/27/16. 655 likes, 125 shares, still sitting there with a good price.
http://www.donhallgmsupercenter.com/...-KY/2733344743

[Marty McFlew]

Originally Posted by raptor5244

Bingo. Look at the new Miata. That car is up to $30k now but they average less than a 1000 sales per month. The FRS sells less than a 1000 per month.
Prior to the new Stingray, GM was selling less than 1000 Corvette per month.

Somehow they keep making these cars so...

Camaro has always been a performance car for the everyday working class man. Why change things now? Either they want to sell cars or they don't.

[iroc_but5.0sdont]

The Mustang is an all new design

The Camaro is really just a refresh.

Stop the excuses and own it.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by iroc_but5.0sdont

The Mustang is an all new design

The Camaro is really just a refresh.

Stop the excuses and own it.

The mustang is an all new design that has been out since late 2014.

The 6th Gen is an all new design, new platform, new engine, trans, everything that has been out since what November?

[ChevyRules]

Originally Posted by iroc_but5.0sdont

The Mustang is an all new design

The Camaro is really just a refresh.

Stop the excuses and own it.

The 2014 Camaro was a refresh. The 6th gen is all new. All new engine, transmission, suspension, and rides on a new platform( Alpha instead of Zeta).

The exterior design to you may look like a refresh, but by all means and definition, it's an all new car.

[Richard0nee]

Originally Posted by iroc_but5.0sdont

The Mustang is an all new design

The Camaro is really just a refresh.

Stop the excuses and on it.

Refresh from the outside perhaps..

But the body frame, interior is an ALL new design along with the ENGINE.

I'm a performance oriented person, no way will I buy a 5.0 then tune it, add bolt-ons, killing my warranty just so it can keep up or beat an SS.

That was the big factor since I like both cars. However, I'm too old to be modding stuff so a fast car from factory is the way to go.

[sschons74]

I blame the dealerships by ordering fully loaded everything, and sticker shock is scaring customers away. I ordered a 1SS no options, because I wanted performance and could care less about extra options, except HUD would've been nice. I'm extremely satisfied with my car, the power, handling and cornering ability continue to amaze me.