New BMW M3/M4 uglier, slower, and heavier than 6th Gen Camaro

delthawk5 · 09-23-2020, 09:00 AM

Yikes. No lap times yet, but it doesn't look promising.

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A 155-mph governor is standard, but it can be raised to 180 mph (in case speed limits are ever lifted). The sprint from zero to 60 mph takes a claimed 4.1 seconds in the regular models and drops to 3.8 seconds in the Competition models. The M3 will set you back $70,895, and the M4 starts at $72,795, with the Competition package offered at a modest extra $2900. They will be launched in March 2021, and the xDrive all-wheel-drive Competition models will come next summer.

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3840 lbs (RWD manual M3)
3890 lbs (RWD automatic M3)
3830 lbs (RWD manual M4)
3880 lbs (RWD automatic M4)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...3-m4-revealed/

SS 376 · 09-23-2020, 09:11 AM

It will be faster than the last generation F80/F82 at least. And you can make decent extra power from just a tune. If you don't benchmark it against the Camaro, it is a very, very good performance car.

Any aftermarket company that can make a revised front fascia will make a killing. The front end is universally despised even before the reveal and they plowed ahead with it anyway.

BluinSC · 09-23-2020, 09:11 AM

Why does it look like a beaver?

NeverDie · 09-23-2020, 09:12 AM

My favorite part is knowing that the industrial engineers and designers from Body Glove apparently found a new home at BMW's interior design department.

Thill444 · 09-23-2020, 09:23 AM

Aside from the M2, BMW lost their way years ago, nothing here surprises me.

Petrol Head · 09-23-2020, 09:25 AM

That front end is hideous. I hope it's a sales flop, BMW deserves it. They've been building junk for 20 years now - their reliability is garbage and repairs are more than the car's worth after 5 years. BMW is no longer what they used to be - truly the Ultimate Driving Machine. Now they're just a big money waste.

Aragorn · 09-23-2020, 09:27 AM

And don’t forget, very expensive.

Petrol Head · 09-23-2020, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Aragorn

And don’t forget, very expensive.

If you look under the hood of any new BMW, 80% of the engine components are plastic. Hoses, housings, clamps, brackets, retainers, spark plug clips, fuel injector retainers, water pumps....... all plastic!!! Which dries out and get brittle over time due to heat and age!!

All car companies use some plastic in their engines but BMW uses it so much more, and on crucial components.

triggerjerk · 09-23-2020, 10:15 AM

Turbo= easy tuning mods/power gains, good at high elevation.

But yeah, they are pricey and ugly. So ugly that the blackwing caddys might actually sell.

MackSteelPrivateEye · 09-23-2020, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Petrol Head

That front end is hideous. I hope it's a sales flop, BMW deserves it. They've been building junk for 20 years now - their reliability is garbage and repairs are more than the car's worth after 5 years. BMW is no longer what they used to be - truly the Ultimate Driving Machine. Now they're just a big money waste.

They have always been over rated. Propped up by Americans. Started off as a hyped ad campaign in the 70s. Americans bought into as a boutique car. Before that they were like Chevys in Europe. Gullible Americans bought into the fad hook line and sinker and just made BMW richer and then they focused and improved on luxury and performance backed by the American dollar.
Can you really imagine people slobbering over these cars?...

https://www.google.com/search?q=1967...w=1517&bih=694

LT4Greg · 09-23-2020, 10:37 AM

The front end is definitely different and not that hideous to me. My idea is if you are going to spend that much on a new one then just buy a new ZL1 and call it done! ��

nancygrl · 09-23-2020, 10:44 AM

Uh, no....used to like beemers but they've been getting worse and worse imho. For that kind of $$ you could get a ZL1 or a C8

Hops · 09-23-2020, 11:09 AM

I don't really care how fast the new M3 is, I wonder if BMW has tried to return to their roots with great driving feel. I owned a 128i for 9 years before getting the Camaro. I really enjoyed that car for the feel. When i needed to replace it, the Head2Head of the 2016 SS vs the M4 left an impression on me. In that review, the Camaro was praised over the M4 for the qualities BMW's usually have.

RyanR623 · 09-23-2020, 11:14 AM

Bugs bunny would love these cars. Man are those fugly.

09-23-2020, 10:37 AM	#11
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,813	The front end is definitely different and not that hideous to me. My idea is if you are going to spend that much on a new one then just buy a new ZL1 and call it done! �� __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

09-23-2020, 09:11 AM	#2
SS 376 Drives: 2010 IBM 1SS (Former) Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: NoVA Posts: 2,032	It will be faster than the last generation F80/F82 at least. And you can make decent extra power from just a tune. If you don't benchmark it against the Camaro, it is a very, very good performance car. Any aftermarket company that can make a revised front fascia will make a killing. The front end is universally despised even before the reveal and they plowed ahead with it anyway.

09-23-2020, 09:11 AM	#3
BluinSC Drives: BVM 1SS Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: Columbia-Sumter- Florence, SC Posts: 462	Why does it look like a beaver?

09-23-2020, 09:12 AM	#4
NeverDie Account Suspended Drives: 2017 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: AZ Posts: 429	My favorite part is knowing that the industrial engineers and designers from Body Glove apparently found a new home at BMW's interior design department.

09-23-2020, 09:23 AM	#5
Thill444 Drives: 2020 SS1LE Shadow Gray Metallic Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: New England Posts: 294	Aside from the M2, BMW lost their way years ago, nothing here surprises me.

09-23-2020, 09:25 AM	#6
Petrol Head Account Suspended Drives: Fast if no one's looking Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Cleveland, Ohio Posts: 1,794	That front end is hideous. I hope it's a sales flop, BMW deserves it. They've been building junk for 20 years now - their reliability is garbage and repairs are more than the car's worth after 5 years. BMW is no longer what they used to be - truly the Ultimate Driving Machine. Now they're just a big money waste.

09-23-2020, 09:27 AM	#7
Aragorn Account Suspended Drives: Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1,538	And don’t forget, very expensive.

09-23-2020, 10:15 AM	#9
triggerjerk Drives: 2023 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: USA Posts: 404	Turbo= easy tuning mods/power gains, good at high elevation. But yeah, they are pricey and ugly. So ugly that the blackwing caddys might actually sell.

09-23-2020, 10:44 AM	#12
nancygrl 雪の玉 Drives: '22 Z71 RST Silverado Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: South Posts: 3,415	Uh, no....used to like beemers but they've been getting worse and worse imho. For that kind of $$ you could get a ZL1 or a C8

09-23-2020, 11:09 AM	#13
Hops Drives: 2019 1ss 1le, blue wrap Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Maryland Posts: 633	I don't really care how fast the new M3 is, I wonder if BMW has tried to return to their roots with great driving feel. I owned a 128i for 9 years before getting the Camaro. I really enjoyed that car for the feel. When i needed to replace it, the Head2Head of the 2016 SS vs the M4 left an impression on me. In that review, the Camaro was praised over the M4 for the qualities BMW's usually have.

09-23-2020, 11:14 AM	#14
RyanR623 Drives: SS A8, NPP, Red Hot Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Toledo, OH Posts: 583	Bugs bunny would love these cars. Man are those fugly.