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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

No one here truly knows. I think it'll be around 200 lbs heavier than the current GT350R and GT350. I am estimating CFTP GT500: ~3,920 lbs, base GT500: 3,995 lbs. Most others around here are guessing around 4,100 lbs, I believe. But that is nearly 400 lbs heavier than the current GT350R, so I'm not buying that weight. 200 lbs heavier than the GT350R and GT350, I'll buy.

I think that's a bit optimistic. I think the model is going to be over 4,000. Bigger wheels, bigger brakes, more rubber, supercharger, lots of extra cooling and from what it seems on most of the tech goodies the base GT500 is almost fully equipped save for premium audio and stuff like that

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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

No one here truly knows. I think it'll be around 200 lbs heavier than the current GT350R and GT350. I am estimating CFTP GT500: ~3,920 lbs, base GT500: 3,995 lbs. Most others around here are guessing around 4,100 lbs, I believe. But that is nearly 400 lbs heavier than the current GT350R, so I'm not buying that weight. 200 lbs heavier than the GT350R and GT350, I'll buy.

I think 4100 is on the high side.

GM lists curb weight for the ZL1 at 3883. They don't list SS 1LE curb weight but I've heard around 3730.

SS 1LE is basically a ZL1 without a supercharger. So with .5" larger front rotors, supercharger and associated plumbing and coolers you add +150lbs. 10 speed auto adds another 60 lbs. I'd imagine DCT being somewhere in between the weight of auto and manual.

I think the GT500 driveline and suspension bits will be beefed up quite a bit compared to the GT350. I'm guessing it'll weigh somewhere in that 200-250lbs range over the GT350

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GM did a LOT to reduce weight on the 6th Gen platform. Even to the point of making the car a bit smaller than the 5th Gen. I don't see anything that Ford has done to significantly reduce weight on the GT500. Even in the. Did the remove materials from the car or seats or something to offset the extra weight from those brakes, blower, coolers, extra fluid capacity, etc? Not from what I can see. The ZL1 is like 3900 pounds and that is with a cramped interior, horrible visibility, no trunk space, etc...according to Mustang guys. The Mustangs all are roomy, have great visibility, lots of space in the trunk, etc. So where exactly are they shaving weight from? I think the blower setup alone is going to add an extra 150 pounds at least.

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the only thing in the GT500 that is going to save any weight is in the CFTP. Other than that I think it's almost guaranteed the base GT500 is going to be over 4000

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by shaffe

the only thing in the GT500 that is going to save any weight is in the CFTP. Other than that I think it's almost guaranteed the base GT500 is going to be over 4000

Maybe I’m being a little optimistic and hopeful by guessing 3,995 lbs for the base. Considering 200 lbs above the GT350 would be 4,005 lbs, I won’t be surprised if the base is slightly over 4K. I’m pretty confident the CFTP will come in comfortably below 4,000 lbs.

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Originally Posted by shaffe

the only thing in the GT500 that is going to save any weight is in the CFTP. Other than that I think it's almost guaranteed the base GT500 is going to be over 4000

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Maybe I’m being a little optimistic and hopeful by guessing 3,995 lbs for the base. Considering 200 lbs above the GT350 would be 4,005 lbs, I won’t be surprised if the base is slightly over 4K. I’m pretty confident the CFTP will come in comfortably below 4,000 lbs.

Didn't the GT350R have CF components? So what CF does the GT500 have that the R didn't have that will save extra weight? Again, the supercharger system with everything it has will be at least an additional 200 pounds. Then there are the brake components. And I'm sure it will have heated and cooled seats as standard along with heated steering wheel. That is if they want to be competitive with the competition that has been offering those items standard. So at 200 pounds just for the blower you are already over 4000 pounds. Again, where are they saving weight from and is it significant to offset the additional weight from the high performance items that are added on?

Also, the GT350R had a manual trans which is much lighter than an auto. I'm just not seeing how Ford is going to be able to offset all that weight. And if they do, then I'd have to question the stability of the vehicle.

As far as the comments about how the car "feels"...whether it feels like it is 4000 pounds or feels like it is 3500 pounds, the actual weight of the car dictates what you can do with it. And is that "feel" when accelerating in a straight line or is it thru the corners. Because my Hellcat does not feel like a 4400 pound car at WOT thanks to all the HP and TQ. But when I come up on a turn, all that weight shows up. So I'm not convinced that whoever that guy is was saying things truthfully or was just trying to be misleading. If it was going to be less than 4000 pounds then I think Ford would have announced it already. But comments like these to me seem like a way to try to fluff people so they won't be disappointed when they release the real weight. So people will say "oh it is 4173 pounds but pro-driver-X says that it feels like it is only 3500 pounds".

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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Maybe I’m being a little optimistic and hopeful by guessing 3,995 lbs for the base. Considering 200 lbs above the GT350 would be 4,005 lbs, I won’t be surprised if the base is slightly over 4K. I’m pretty confident the CFTP will come in comfortably below 4,000 lbs.

The base GT350 is 3805lbs. With all that comes with the GT500, it’s going to be well over 200lbs difference. Heck the gt350 has a very light Tremec manual, while the DCT will be much heavier. I’m guessing 4170 for the base, and 4090 for the track GT500.

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Didn't the GT350R have CF components? So what CF does the GT500 have that the R didn't have that will save extra weight? Again, the supercharger system with everything it has will be at least an additional 200 pounds. Then there are the brake components. And I'm sure it will have heated and cooled seats as standard along with heated steering wheel. That is if they want to be competitive with the competition that has been offering those items standard. So at 200 pounds just for the blower you are already over 4000 pounds. Again, where are they saving weight from and is it significant to offset the additional weight from the high performance items that are added on?

Also, the GT350R had a manual trans which is much lighter than an auto. I'm just not seeing how Ford is going to be able to offset all that weight. And if they do, then I'd have to question the stability of the vehicle.

As far as the comments about how the car "feels"...whether it feels like it is 4000 pounds or feels like it is 3500 pounds, the actual weight of the car dictates what you can do with it. And is that "feel" when accelerating in a straight line or is it thru the corners. Because my Hellcat does not feel like a 4400 pound car at WOT thanks to all the HP and TQ. But when I come up on a turn, all that weight shows up. So I'm not convinced that whoever that guy is was saying things truthfully or was just trying to be misleading. If it was going to be less than 4000 pounds then I think Ford would have announced it already. But comments like these to me seem like a way to try to fluff people so they won't be disappointed when they release the real weight. So people will say "oh it is 4173 pounds but pro-driver-X says that it feels like it is only 3500 pounds".

The GT350R is 3,720 lbs. Ford has said the 20” CF wheels weigh the same as the 19” CF wheels. Front rotors are a few lbs heavier each, rear rotors are slightly smaller than the R.

I agree that if either model comes in at 4,100+ lbs I’ll be as disappointed as anyone.

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Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The GT350R is 3,720 lbs. Ford has said the 20” CF wheels weigh the same as the 19” CF wheels. Front rotors are a few lbs heavier each, rear rotors are slightly smaller than the R.

I agree that if either model comes in at 4,100+ lbs I’ll be as disappointed as anyone.

I wont be disappointed because I expect it to be over 4000 pounds. Bottom line is that if it runs sub 11s no one will care if it weighs 5000 pounds.

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Originally Posted by 13vertss

The base GT350 is 3805lbs. With all that comes with the GT500, it’s going to be well over 200lbs difference. Heck the gt350 has a very light Tremec manual, while the DCT will be much heavier. I’m guessing 4170 for the base, and 4090 for the track GT500.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

The GT350R is 3,720 lbs. Ford has said the 20” CF wheels weigh the same as the 19” CF wheels. Front rotors are a few lbs heavier each, rear rotors are slightly smaller than the R.

I agree that if either model comes in at 4,100+ lbs I’ll be as disappointed as anyone.

Let's use the lighter R weight (as opposed to the heavier non-R). So at 3720 pounds we'll add about 200 pounds for the blower setup and all fluids and components. So that puts us at 3920 pounds. I found a source that claims the Tremec 7sp DCT weighs around 229 pounds wet while the trans in the GT350R weighed about 122 pounds. So that is an extra 100 pounds which puts us at 4020. Add in the brakes, coolers, etc and I can definitely see an extra 100 pounds putting it over 4100. If it is the heavier base GT350 that the GT500 comes closer to then I pretty much bet it will be over 4100 pounds.


Just a few things I found interesting:
The ZL1 with A10 trans weighs 3933.
The ZLE with A10 trans weighs 3944.
The SS with A10 trans weighs 3739.
The LT4 engine complete weighs in at 526 pounds.
The LT1 engine complete weighs in at 465 pounds.

2012 SS with M6 weight 3860.
2012 ZL1 with M6 weighed 4120.

2019 GT with manual trans weighs 3705.
2013 GT with manual trans weighed 3605.
2013 GT500 weighed 3850.
GT350R weight is 3741.

So given the weight differences, the 6th Gen Camaros lost weight as compared to the 5th Gens while the S550s gained weight. But it does seem to be about a 200 pound weight difference between the GTs and SSs and their supercharged brethren. So It might be possible for the GT500 to come in at just under 4000 pounds. They did remove the rear seats am I right? And the CF driveshaft saves weight and rotational mass. So I guess it is possible. And for their sake I do hope they were able to keep it under 4K. But I do think it will be in the 4100 pound range. We'll soon see.

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Agreed.

Let's use the lighter R weight (as opposed to the heavier non-R). So at 3720 pounds we'll add about 200 pounds for the blower setup and all fluids and components. So that puts us at 3920 pounds. I found a source that claims the Tremec 7sp DCT weighs around 229 pounds wet while the trans in the GT350R weighed about 122 pounds. So that is an extra 100 pounds which puts us at 4020. Add in the brakes, coolers, etc and I can definitely see an extra 100 pounds putting it over 4100. If it is the heavier base GT350 that the GT500 comes closer to then I pretty much bet it will be over 4100 pounds.


Just a few things I found interesting:
The ZL1 with A10 trans weighs 3933.
The ZLE with A10 trans weighs 3944.
The SS with A10 trans weighs 3739.
The LT4 engine complete weighs in at 526 pounds.
The LT1 engine complete weighs in at 465 pounds.

2012 SS with M6 weight 3860.
2012 ZL1 with M6 weighed 4120.

2019 GT with manual trans weighs 3705.
2013 GT with manual trans weighed 3605.
2013 GT500 weighed 3850.
GT350R weight is 3741.

So given the weight differences, the 6th Gen Camaros lost weight as compared to the 5th Gens while the S550s gained weight. But it does seem to be about a 200 pound weight difference between the GTs and SSs and their supercharged brethren. So It might be possible for the GT500 to come in at just under 4000 pounds. They did remove the rear seats am I right? And the CF driveshaft saves weight and rotational mass. So I guess it is possible. And for their sake I do hope they were able to keep it under 4K. But I do think it will be in the 4100 pound range. We'll soon see.

That's why I'm stuck on the 200 lbs weight difference. But if that DCT really weighs that much more than the M6 then that throws that theory out the window, and yeah, +300 lbs, putting the CFTP GT500 right at or slightly over 4,000 lbs and the base GT500 at 4,100 lbs. I sure hope not.

For consideration regarding the s/c weight adder: the Ford Performance Supercharger kit for the '18GT is 170 lbs packaged/shipped. That includes the packaging (obviously), and all the necessary components, some of which are duplicates and removed from the stock car, like the throttle body, fuel injectors, intake manifold, air intake system, fuel rails, etc. Subtract those duplicate items and consider them about a wash (removing the stock components, then adding back the new ones) and the packaging, and the supercharger likely only actually adds around 120-130 lbs with the intercooler. Add in the cooling fluid (5-10 lbs(ish)): ~+125-140 lbs. for the supercharger and direct related components. Carbon fiber wheels are a wash, brakes are slightly heavier, but not much since the rear brakes I believe are 1/2" smaller than the R. Tires slightly heavier (since they are 20" rather than 19" but similar width/profile), suspension slightly heavier (at least in the front), more tech., and that puts it around the +200 lbs mark. Like you pointed out, though, that DCT weight is the key.

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The CFTP is a VERY pricey option. Surely that is not just for CF wheels and such. Are the GT350 body panels aluminum, and if so would some CF panels even be possible at that price range and would it even save significant weight?

I would be shocked, at that price, if Ford didnt find a way to bring the CFTP 500 in at sub 4000 lbs. Even if it is 3999, I just can't see Ford releasing a 4,000 lb "CFTP" car, as a what......2021 model? It just seems insane to me.

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Originally Posted by ST1LE

The CFTP is a VERY pricey option. Surely that is not just for CF wheels and such. Are the GT350 body panels aluminum, and if so would some CF panels even be possible at that price range and would it even save significant weight?

I would be shocked, at that price, if Ford didnt find a way to bring the CFTP 500 in at sub 4000 lbs. Even if it is 3999, I just can't see Ford releasing a 4,000 lb "CFTP" car, as a what......2021 model? It just seems insane to me.

It wont take much to push that car over 4000. We are assuming it will have all the options that a 75k+ car should come with. Vented seats, premium sound, upgraded infotainment system, all of Ford's safety tech like blind spot monitoring and collision detection. That will all add weight as well.

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What is the weight of the RE 4436Lbs I'll take the bigger car with 300 Lbs weight gain