09-15-2022, 06:49 AM | #15 |
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Well, in general, the segment is in decline but everyone else did better than the Camaro. It's been rehashed many times here. Theories abound. I have felt similar regarding the manual transmission. Is it dying because we're not buying them or because they're not offered or advanced? I had a manual transmission for example in my last Colorado on the upgraded engine. In the 2nd gen, they only offered a MT on the anemic 4 cyl WT so I bought an automatic V6. You see where i'm going with this. Is it my fault the MT is almost gone?
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09-15-2022, 07:18 AM | #16 |
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The interior looks like a retro rehash with flat screen displays stuck on top.
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09-15-2022, 07:25 AM | #17 |
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Might as well start the funeral music now for the Camaro we probably got a year left. I wouldn't call people stupid the other two brands cars are just much easier to live with as daily drivers. That with a lack of representation online and on TV this car was doomed from the get go. GM's "quality" or lack of also didn't do them any favors(A8, lifters, oil pumps etc).
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09-15-2022, 08:40 AM | #18 |
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ehhhhhhhhh looks decent in some pictures, odd in others. Probably one of those that needs to be seen in person. But Glad to see it lives on with a V8 and manual
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09-15-2022, 09:01 AM | #19 | |
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It's a combination of both, a slow spiral of death. Take sedans. In the 90s and 2000s if you needed a fuel efficient family hauler, you bought a midsize or full size sedan. When crossovers started becoming more popular, people realized they could have a more comfortable, practical car with only a slight FE hit compared to their old sedan. As people bought more and more crossovers, manufacturers saw more incentive to offer more crossovers and pour engineering dollars into those programs instead of sedans where sales were stagnant or decreasing. This led to more people buying crossovers, fewer people buying sedans, therefore more crossovers developed and built, fewer sedans developed and built, and the spiral continues to the present day when the only Chevrolet sedan available for the US market is Malibu.
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09-15-2022, 09:37 AM | #20 |
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Hrrmmm..
I think the last gen actually looks better, although I guess I could get on board with saying this new one looks a bit more modern? Interior is nice...an improvement, although the wall of screens looks a bit awkward. In the end....at least the Mustang is still moving ahead, offering glorious V8 noises and a manual transmission in a world where these things are going away. With that in mind, I tip my hat to the Mustang.
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09-15-2022, 10:19 AM | #21 |
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I just watched Doug DeMuro's video on this. A few angles of the s650, I can't help but think how similar this looks like 5th gen camaro. Im most interested in knowing how much the thing weights because it looks bigger overall than the s550. 480hp but whats the weight gain? Will this be another S197 to S550 where the power is bumped but so is the weight?
Coolest thing I saw was the retro gauge cluster from the fox body that actually glows green at night. If I owned the s650, 100% would drive with that. I can see that the infotainment will look dated very quickly since it already looks dated. Something about it for me it just looks like its super old tech and graphics slapped into the new car. Ford making a gas powered, manual muscle car when nobody else will be....... kudos. Great move from Ford.
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09-15-2022, 11:01 AM | #22 |
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Congrats to Mustang fans. I'm glad they're making this commitment to a new generation of V8 manual muscle cars. If a Camaro is no longer being produced when my kids inherit my 5th Gen I might look at it. Something I never thought I'd say.
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09-15-2022, 11:03 AM | #23 |
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They most definitely did with a butt ugly refresh. Dodge is killing them in the refresh game with an ancient Challenger.
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09-15-2022, 12:16 PM | #24 |
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The middle one looks like a Charger
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"The fourth generation of the Coyote engine adds dual throttle bodies fed by dual air intakes, a setup that Ford says provides better airflow and helps increase horsepower."
So it will cost a $1000 for a CAI now
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