[oldman]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...th-basic-mods/



Thanks to its relatively compact cam-in-block pushrod design, the 446-cubic-inch Godzilla engine is pretty close in size to an old-school Ford 351 Windsor engine—and way smaller than an overhead-cam 5.0-liter Coyote. What's that mean? You can slip it into a Fox-body Mustang, or just about any Ford of older vintage, without having to undertake painful body and suspension mods.

[BlaqWhole]

Didn't GM do a 454 small block V8 back in the 5th Gen Camaro days?

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by oldman

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...th-basic-mods/

Thanks to its relatively compact cam-in-block pushrod design, the 446-cubic-inch Godzilla engine is pretty close in size to an old-school Ford 351 Windsor engine—and way smaller than an overhead-cam 5.0-liter Coyote. What's that mean? You can slip it into a Fox-body Mustang, or just about any Ford of older vintage, without having to undertake painful body and suspension mods.

Very cool, do you think it will fit in a 6th gen Camaro?

If So Chevy could use it to build a real 6th gen Camaro Z/28. They share transmissions why not motors? They both are focused on SUVs anyway.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Didn't GM do a 454 small block V8 back in the 5th Gen Camaro days?

You mean this bad ass all forged LS? Fits nice in a Vega. Take that Fox body with your truck motor boat anchor.

https://www.chevrolet.com/performanc...ngines/lsx-454

[LESS1]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Very cool, do you think it will fit in a 6th gen Camaro?

If So Chevy could use it to build a real 6th gen Camaro Z/28. They share transmissions why not motors? They both are focused on SUVs anyway.

Seriously? This is a step backward from the Gen V SB LT1 motor in most aspects. I hope you were J/K. Not sure what Frod is trying to do here, they proclaim years ago pushrods are no good and they don't need cubic inches. Going high tech with SOHC/DOHC, smaller displacement and then to I4/V6 with turbo power to conquer the world. Not certain but I wonder if the high maintenance and warranty costs are finally catching up to this philosophy? Lots to consider when using a turbo to make reliable power, you can't just slap it on and hope for the best. Of course, we have seen this behavior with the Mustang platform and we know how that turned out.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by LESS1

Seriously? This is a step backward from the Gen V SB LT1 motor in most aspects. I hope you were J/K. Not sure what Frod is trying to do here, they proclaim years ago pushrods are no good and they don't need cubic inches. Going high tech with SOHC/DOHC, smaller displacement and then to I4/V6 with turbo power to conquer the world. Not certain but I wonder if the high maintenance and warranty costs are finally catching up to this philosophy? Lots to consider when using a turbo to make reliable power, you can't just slap it on and hope for the best. Of course, we have seen this behavior with the Mustang platform and we know how that turned out.

Yea I was joking. But not about the LSX454 Vega. No joke there. But for the Z/28 faithful only a NA motor will do. I agree.

[Spartan268]

Doesn't sound like it's any different than what Pray Performance has been doing with the 416 LT1 engine build he's been working on. He's building the engine for boost application but in N/A form it's making ~610RWHP. More potential where it's coming from to considering the primary focus is to put a blower on it and not N/A performance.


A stock cubic LT1 can hit near 580RWHP with cams. And this is a dyno with an actual car attached to the engine. I can see this one is just testing the power straight from the engine (engine dyno) so this isn't even considering drivetrain loss either. In a car this will be making close to 500whp assuming it's 15% loss. Normally I'm not one for knocking something down but this is nothing ground breaking or special. They're quite literally re-inventing the wheel. And this wheel is still sub-par compared with the engine builds we have with the LS and LT.


Let's keep the godzilla title to the GTR instead where it should be. This is just Ford fanboys trying to be relevant again in the N/A game.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by Spartan268

Doesn't sound like it's any different than what Pray Performance has been doing with the 416 LT1 engine build he's been working on. He's building the engine for boost application but in N/A form it's making ~610RWHP. More potential where it's coming from to considering the primary focus is to put a blower on it and not N/A performance.


A stock cubic LT1 can hit near 580RWHP with cams. And this is a dyno with an actual car attached to the engine. I can see this one is just testing the power straight from the engine (engine dyno) so this isn't even considering drivetrain loss either. In a car this will be making close to 500whp assuming it's 15% loss. Normally I'm not one for knocking something down but this is nothing ground breaking or special. They're quite literally re-inventing the wheel. And this wheel is still sub-par compared with the engine builds we have with the LS and LT.


Let's keep the godzilla title to the GTR instead where it should be. This is just Ford fanboys trying to be relevant again in the N/A game.

Let's not forget that the new Ford engine is a big block, not a small block, and it is also an iron block rather than aluminum in the LT1. It's got to be a bit heavy. The iron block would potentially handle more boost, if that's your thing, but for N/A I would want aluminum.

[GuywithL86]

I will honestly stick up for any manufacturer and give credit where credit is do. I am constantly letting people know the downsides to gm.

But when it comes to pushrod v8’s, get the hell outta here, that thing is a joke compared to a small block. Absolutely nothing competes with gm in that regard.

It makes 600hp crank with a cam and bolt ons, that’s what the lt1 makes at the wheels.

So not only is it much larger, heavier, and higher discplament, it also makes less power. As much as I hate the powerband of the lt1, it is king of the hill and aways will be in these categories.
HP:$
HP:engine weight
HP:engine size
HP:fuel consumption at low rpm.

It why nearly 80% of cars built from scratch use the small block gm.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Let's not forget that the new Ford engine is a big block, not a small block, and it is also an iron block rather than aluminum in the LT1. It's got to be a bit heavy. The iron block would potentially handle more boost, if that's your thing, but for N/A I would want aluminum.

The 7.3 weighs about 100 pounds more than a 5.0 Coyote according to the other site

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by GuywithL86

I will honestly stick up for any manufacturer and give credit where credit is do. I am constantly letting people know the downsides to gm.

But when it comes to pushrod v8’s, get the hell outta here, that thing is a joke compared to a small block. Absolutely nothing competes with gm in that regard.

It makes 600hp crank with a cam and bolt ons, that’s what the lt1 makes at the wheels.

So not only is it much larger, heavier, and higher discplament, it also makes less power. As much as I hate the powerband of the lt1, it is king of the hill and aways will be in these categories.
HP:$
HP:engine weight
HP:engine size
HP:fuel consumption at low rpm.

It why nearly 80% of cars built from scratch use the small block gm.

This. Minus the hate of the powerband.

The only reason for a godzilla swap instead of an ls swap is just really wanting it to be a ford engine. At the expense, of weight, size, costs, after market support, and power.

[shaffe]

Agreed

as a truck engine though (what it was built for) it will be just fine.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

This. Minus the hate of the powerband.

The only reason for a godzilla swap instead of an ls swap is just really wanting it to be a ford engine. At the expense, of weight, size, costs, after market support, and power.

With an iron block, it could have the potential for high boost applications. But, any of the iron block truck series LS engines would be a ton cheaper, and are proven to be very boost friendly. So, I am not really sure of any advantage this engine would have for swapping other than if you are building/rebuilding a Ford, and want a Ford engine only.

Perhaps many years from now, guys can pull these engines from trucks out of the junk yard, and start a build, but I can't see buying one of these as a crate engine.

[oldman]

Here it is in crate motor form:
https://www.foxnews.com/auto/fords-g...8-crate-engine