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nak3dsnake · 12-16-2010, 11:19 AM

Don't be so quick to judge. I just watch Ultimate Factories - Camaro again, definitely looks like they used a heavy duty chain to me when they are assembling our engine. You can get a good look at it in one of the close up shots.

Demon Hunter · 12-16-2010, 11:42 AM

Well, I have over 30k miles on my car now & I drive it pretty hard. no issues to speak of yet.

rtcat600man · 12-16-2010, 11:50 AM

I was told low oil condition might lead to a chain problem. Keep the oil level up and we should not see an issue. Time will tell. By the way this whole chain issue was discussed in previous threads at great length. Do some searches and you should find some history.

blkngldbabe · 12-16-2010, 12:25 PM

Timing chains are the same in all of the 3.6 engines unfortunately. Ugh.
#12616609 for the primary chain
#12616608 for two of the secondary chains

They HAVE been changed up to #12633451 for Primary and #12633452 for secondaries. Hopefully this will correct the issues.

Beauwulf · 12-16-2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blkngldbabe

Timing chains are the same in all of the 3.6 engines unfortunately. Ugh.
#12616609 for the primary chain
#12616608 for two of the secondary chains

They HAVE been changed up to #12633451 for Primary and #12633452 for secondaries. Hopefully this will correct the issues.

I thought I had read somewhere that the chains were upgraded.

nak3dsnake · 12-16-2010, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beauwulf

I thought I had read somewhere that the chains were upgraded.

Heres the picture you posted in the LLT/Holden thread. Looks heavy duty to me.

KMPrenger · 12-16-2010, 06:19 PM

That is not the engine in our car.

nak3dsnake · 12-16-2010, 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

That is not the engine in our car.

They share common parts though. That's the whole point of the global architecture. I don't think that GM is going to make a special chain just for the High Feature 3.0, and another for its 3.6 cousin. That would be inefficient and waste money.

nak3dsnake · 12-16-2010, 06:51 PM

I just did a search on the part numbers above at GM Parts House and got this. All HFV6 engines regardless of displacement use the same timing chain.

12616608 $49.56
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain
Timing chain, cts, secondary - 3.0l 2010

12616608 $49.56
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain
Timing chain, cts, secondary - 3.6l 2008 - 2010

12616608 $49.56
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain
Timing chain, sts, secondary - 3.6l 2006 - 2010

12616608 $49.56
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain
Timing chain, srx, secondary - 2.8l 2010

12616608 $49.56
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain
Timing chain, srx, secondary - 3.6l 2007 - 2009

12616608 $49.56
Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain
Timing chain, srx, secondary - 3.0l 2010

bmwdon · 12-16-2010, 07:07 PM

how about that primary chain price?

xx_ED_xx · 12-16-2010, 07:26 PM

Chock up another v6 weak point. Timing chains, second gear issues, pressure plate bolts loose, Direct injection (which is good but bad for tuners)

I really want to do cam regrinds and ported heads and an intake upgrade on the one I am getting. I think with some headers and a single turbo it would be a potent motor. Put a t56 conversion behind it and fix some of the other camaro weak points it would be Great

Then rip it all out put it in a 2000 s-10

nak3dsnake · 12-16-2010, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmwdon

how about that primary chain price?

It looks like GMPartsDirect caries all 4 part numbers.

Primary Chain
GM PART # 12616609
CATEGORY: All
PACK QTY: 1
GM LIST: $43.47
OUR PRICE: $25.28

Secondary's
GM PART # 12616608
CATEGORY: All
PACK QTY: 1
GM LIST: $49.56
OUR PRICE: $28.82

Primary Chain
GM PART # 12633451
CATEGORY: All
PACK QTY: 1
GM LIST: $42.84
OUR PRICE: $24.91

Secondary's
GM PART # 12633452
CATEGORY: All
PACK QTY: 1
GM LIST: $49.11
OUR PRICE: $28.55

bmwdon · 12-17-2010, 05:26 AM

thanks! I'll try out the new ones.

bmwdon · 12-17-2010, 05:50 AM

$101.69 for a fresh set of chains shipped....awesome pricing, just not a fan of the ship times I've seen from gmpartsdirect....obviously the build will have to wait until after these show up :(

12-16-2010, 11:19 AM	#29
nak3dsnake Drives: 2010 Camaro IBM 2LT/RS M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,282 View My Garage	Don't be so quick to judge. I just watch Ultimate Factories - Camaro again, definitely looks like they used a heavy duty chain to me when they are assembling our engine. You can get a good look at it in one of the close up shots. __________________ Looks: AAC P13W DRLs, Heritage Grille, RS Embroidered Headrests, GM Door Sill Plates, GM Premium Floor Mats, Body Color Engine Cover, LLT Mobile 1 Oil Cap, ZL1 Sport Pedals, 3M Clear Bra. Performance: Vararam Ram Air Intake, Hurst Short Throw Shifter w/ Hurst Hard Drive Pistol Grip, IDEALG Clutch Master Cylinder, RX Catch can, GTO clutch fluid reservoir, Brembo Brakes, 1LE Track Pack, GMPP Exhaust Upgrade.

12-16-2010, 11:42 AM	#30
Demon Hunter Drives: 2010 Black Camaro LT Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 675 View My Garage	Well, I have over 30k miles on my car now & I drive it pretty hard. no issues to speak of yet. __________________

12-16-2010, 11:50 AM	#31
rtcat600man having FUN now 13.66@101 Drives: 2010 2LT IOM Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Clarkston, Michigan Posts: 9,230 View My Garage	I was told low oil condition might lead to a chain problem. Keep the oil level up and we should not see an issue. Time will tell. By the way this whole chain issue was discussed in previous threads at great length. Do some searches and you should find some history. __________________ MY BUILD

12-16-2010, 12:25 PM	#32
blkngldbabe Barossa's handler Drives: 2LT/RS RJT Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Highland Chev,Aurora Ontario Posts: 1,097	Timing chains are the same in all of the 3.6 engines unfortunately. Ugh. #12616609 for the primary chain #12616608 for two of the secondary chains They HAVE been changed up to #12633451 for Primary and #12633452 for secondaries. Hopefully this will correct the issues. __________________ SLP's GTA Master Specialty Vehicle and Master Parts Dealer

12-16-2010, 06:19 PM	#35
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	That is not the engine in our car. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

12-16-2010, 06:51 PM	#37
nak3dsnake Drives: 2010 Camaro IBM 2LT/RS M6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 2,282 View My Garage	I just did a search on the part numbers above at GM Parts House and got this. All HFV6 engines regardless of displacement use the same timing chain. 12616608 $49.56 Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain Timing chain, cts, secondary - 3.0l 2010 12616608 $49.56 Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain Timing chain, cts, secondary - 3.6l 2008 - 2010 12616608 $49.56 Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain Timing chain, sts, secondary - 3.6l 2006 - 2010 12616608 $49.56 Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain Timing chain, srx, secondary - 2.8l 2010 12616608 $49.56 Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain Timing chain, srx, secondary - 3.6l 2007 - 2009 12616608 $49.56 Engine - Camshaft & timing - Timing chain Timing chain, srx, secondary - 3.0l 2010 __________________ Looks: AAC P13W DRLs, Heritage Grille, RS Embroidered Headrests, GM Door Sill Plates, GM Premium Floor Mats, Body Color Engine Cover, LLT Mobile 1 Oil Cap, ZL1 Sport Pedals, 3M Clear Bra. Performance: Vararam Ram Air Intake, Hurst Short Throw Shifter w/ Hurst Hard Drive Pistol Grip, IDEALG Clutch Master Cylinder, RX Catch can, GTO clutch fluid reservoir, Brembo Brakes, 1LE Track Pack, GMPP Exhaust Upgrade.

12-16-2010, 07:07 PM	#38
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	how about that primary chain price? __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

12-16-2010, 07:26 PM	#39
xx_ED_xx Drives: 04 Silverado Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Floriduh! Posts: 1,113	Chock up another v6 weak point. Timing chains, second gear issues, pressure plate bolts loose, Direct injection (which is good but bad for tuners) I really want to do cam regrinds and ported heads and an intake upgrade on the one I am getting. I think with some headers and a single turbo it would be a potent motor. Put a t56 conversion behind it and fix some of the other camaro weak points it would be Great Then rip it all out put it in a 2000 s-10

12-17-2010, 05:26 AM	#41
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	thanks! I'll try out the new ones. __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

12-17-2010, 05:50 AM	#42
bmwdon I refuse to go smurfy Drives: 2009 Challenger SRT8, 2010 Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: MD Posts: 1,311	$101.69 for a fresh set of chains shipped....awesome pricing, just not a fan of the ship times I've seen from gmpartsdirect....obviously the build will have to wait until after these show up :( __________________ -Bill...the Camaro was my wifes, now she's got a minivan Challenger- 2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8 Procharger D1 Supercharger: 10.895 @ 126.720 MPH

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