03-04-2020, 05:34 AM | #617 | |
Retired from GM
Drives: 2017 Camaro Fifty SS Convertible Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Detroit
Posts: 5,191
|
Quote:
__________________
2017 CAMARO FIFTY SS CONVERTIBLE
A8 | MRC | NPP | Nav | HUD | GM Performance CAI | Tony Mamo LT1 V2 Ported TB | Kooks 1-7/8” LT Headers | FlexFuel Tune | Thinkware Q800 Pro front and rear dash cam | Charcoal Tint for Taillights and 3rd Brakelight | Orange and Carbon Fiber Bowties | 1LE Wheels in Gunmetal Gray | Carbon Fiber Interior Overlays | Novistretch bra and mirror covers | Tow hitch for bicycle rack | |
|
03-04-2020, 05:50 AM | #618 | ||
Retired from GM
Drives: 2017 Camaro Fifty SS Convertible Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Detroit
Posts: 5,191
|
Quote:
Quote:
That’s why GM didn’t panic when sales dropped in 18 and 19. When I first joined M6G, there were tons of posts where people said “the dealer won’t move on a Camaro equipped the way I want it so I bought a Mustang because the dealers will work with you.” So now the mantra is “Chevy dealers are throwing money at you because they can’t give away ZL1s”. Fact of the matter is, GM has already more than likely realized their profit expectations for the Camaro product line. So now, in it’s 5th year with only cosmetic changes plus a 10AT, GM realizes that the normal cycle of product means you have to discount the unchanged product in order to keep sales at an acceptable level. The ATP strategy worked except for the early recognition that a “base V8” model would probably be a good idea. I actually thought that would see the light of day in 2018, but I am not at all surprised that it wasn’t there at launch.
__________________
2017 CAMARO FIFTY SS CONVERTIBLE
A8 | MRC | NPP | Nav | HUD | GM Performance CAI | Tony Mamo LT1 V2 Ported TB | Kooks 1-7/8” LT Headers | FlexFuel Tune | Thinkware Q800 Pro front and rear dash cam | Charcoal Tint for Taillights and 3rd Brakelight | Orange and Carbon Fiber Bowties | 1LE Wheels in Gunmetal Gray | Carbon Fiber Interior Overlays | Novistretch bra and mirror covers | Tow hitch for bicycle rack | |
||
03-04-2020, 07:45 AM | #619 |
Drives: 2013 C6Z06 Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: PA
Posts: 1,577
|
I wish you guys would stop calling the LT1 a 1LT. Actually I wish GM would just name models better and advertise performance...
|
03-04-2020, 08:24 AM | #620 |
Drives: 1SS, A8, MRC, NPP, Blade Spoiler Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MD
Posts: 1,485
|
|
03-04-2020, 08:36 AM | #621 | |
Drives: Black Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Nj
Posts: 440
|
Quote:
Is it because you need visibility to drive....no. It’s because the pleasure of driving is improved by visibility. It’s a mantra of mclaren ever since. I saw just fine out of the camaro, but it certainly had a coffin like experience. That’s what the problem is. From a practical standpoint, it’s not THAT bad. From and an experience perspective, it is bad. The car just makes up for it with insane performance. If I were to ever buy a camaro, it’d have to be a drop top. This is coming from someone that is obsessed with the alpha chassis and promotes it all the time. The visibility issue is not overblown IMO. |
|
03-04-2020, 08:55 AM | #622 | |||
Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carol Stream
Posts: 6,023
|
Quote:
Now imagine you have never driven one of these cars before and are comparing it to Mustang and Challenger for the first time ever. The first impression many people have on a short test drive might be that it's significantly worse than the other two. That's what I am getting at. It might be enough of an issue to turn off first time buyers especially in the lower trims when it can't use the performance factor to compensate for other "issues" Quote:
Quote:
It is funny you mentioned that dealers wouldn't budge but now there is money on the hood. My local chevy dealers are offering big money off on Camaros lol Yeah the LT1 name was bad. Not sure what else they could have gone with but something else would have been better especially because there is a 1LT trim lol
__________________
Last edited by shaffe; 03-04-2020 at 09:35 AM. |
|||
03-04-2020, 09:09 AM | #623 |
Drives: 2018 Camaro SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2018
Location: Tampa Florida
Posts: 1,980
|
Someone around here claimed they saw lt1 performance numbers claimed in the back of a dealer pamphlet or something. 0 to 60 was slower than an ss at lile 4.2 vs 4.0 and quater mile was the same 12.3 with the lt1 having a higher claimed trap speed than the ss, 118 for the lt1 vs 116 or so for the ss. Can't remember who posted it.
__________________
2000 Miata - aventi storm wheels, roll bar.
2019 Mustang GT pp1 - svt pp2 wheels, mbrp cat back, sync 3 upgrade, p1x procharger + stg2 intercooler. 2018 Colorado zr2 - zr2 sport bar, showcase spare tire. 2018 Camaro SS 1LE - GM cai, black bowties, suede knee bolsters, 1le plate frame, black fuel door, dark tails + 3rd brake light, euro side markers + led's, GM all weather floor mats, velossatech big mouth, GM strut brace. 2017 Corvette Grandsport (sold) - untouched. 2006 GTO (sold) - iat relocation, air box mod, monero side marker lights. |
03-04-2020, 09:39 AM | #624 | |
Drives: 1SS, A8, MRC, NPP, Blade Spoiler Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MD
Posts: 1,485
|
Quote:
|
|
03-04-2020, 12:33 PM | #625 | ||
Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Franklin WI
Posts: 6,632
|
Quote:
The sensation inside is different. Visibility is not a problem. Even seeing stop lights are not an issue Quote:
The company I'm with (20 years) is going through a similar transformation. In the past it was all about being the volume leader. Now the focus is on the quality of the sale. The low volume models on the low or high end of the price spectrum isn't where the money is made. Its in the middle. Why does GM "brag" about ATP? Why does Ford brag about volume?
__________________
"the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan - |
||
03-04-2020, 12:38 PM | #626 | |
Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS A8 Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: East Tennessee
Posts: 11,496
|
Quote:
Rear visibility is even worse in sedans with two or three bulky rear headrests, yet nobody brings that up... much of this is a perception "game", someone started this "visibility in the Camaro is horrendous" meme and it just won't die. Oh, and there are subjective preferences, too—I for one wouldn't want to own and see a car every day whose midsection reminds me of a blister (Mustang) or one that looks like a raindrop overall (Porsche), even if that might be better for visibility and the most aerodynamic shape. Overall, there seem to be many people to whom this initial visibility impression matters more, and they buy Mustangs, I have zero problems with that. Other still crave the 70s to 90s style street brute look and thickly padded giant seats, they buy the Challenger. There should be an offering to cater to all these tastes
__________________
2018 Camaro 2SS — G7E MX0 NPP F55 IO6
735 rwhp | 665 rwtq Magnuson TVS 2300 80mm pulley | Kooks 1 7/8" LT headers | JRE smooth idle terminator cam | LT4 FS & injectors | TSP forged pistons & rods JMS PowerMAX | DSX flex fuel kit | Roto-Fab CAI | Soler 95mm LT5 TB | 1LE wheels | 1LE brakes | BMR rear cradle lockout | JRE custom tune 1100 - 1/30/18 | 2000 - 1/31/18 3000 - 2/06/18 TPW 2/26/18 3400 - 2/19/18 | 3800 - 2/26/18 4300 - 2/27/18 | 4B00 - 3/01/18 4200 - 3/05/18 | 4800 - 3/14/18 5000 - 3/16/18 | 6000 - 3/19/18 |
|
03-04-2020, 01:57 PM | #627 | |
Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carol Stream
Posts: 6,023
|
Quote:
I totally get why on the inside they would focus on ATP. They would have all the info on costs, margins all that stuff. On the outside looking in, I don't see it as that valuable of information because of the missing variables. At least with sales numbers I feel I can make some better guesses about how its doing especially when combined with data like days in inventory. I am fully aware it is possible to earn more while selling less and like you said the key is somewhere in the middle.
__________________
Last edited by shaffe; 03-04-2020 at 02:43 PM. |
|
03-04-2020, 03:18 PM | #628 | |
Drives: 20 1LE 2SS M6 Rally Green Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Franklin WI
Posts: 6,632
|
Quote:
The reality of driving one is that visibility isn't an actual problem while driving the car. It never gets that far with some and they choose another cars, like the Mustang, that are only marginally different.
__________________
"the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” Ronald Reagan - |
|
03-04-2020, 03:24 PM | #629 | |
Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Carol Stream
Posts: 6,023
|
Quote:
|
|
03-04-2020, 03:30 PM | #630 | |
Retired from GM
Drives: 2017 Camaro Fifty SS Convertible Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Detroit
Posts: 5,191
|
Quote:
__________________
2017 CAMARO FIFTY SS CONVERTIBLE
A8 | MRC | NPP | Nav | HUD | GM Performance CAI | Tony Mamo LT1 V2 Ported TB | Kooks 1-7/8” LT Headers | FlexFuel Tune | Thinkware Q800 Pro front and rear dash cam | Charcoal Tint for Taillights and 3rd Brakelight | Orange and Carbon Fiber Bowties | 1LE Wheels in Gunmetal Gray | Carbon Fiber Interior Overlays | Novistretch bra and mirror covers | Tow hitch for bicycle rack | |
|
|
|
Post Reply
|
Thread Tools | |
|
|