Electric Vehicles

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by ChevyRules

Ford will change over to the Tesla plug starting in 2025 and will integrate software to enable the Tesla charging experience when plugging into a supercharger.

https://apple.news/A1-fcRJeZTuOghvjSAAJF6g

IMHO, Tesla plug is an easier to handle plug over CCS. Good move by Ford and hopefully leads to overall standardization.

Smart move on Tesla but imo stupid on Ford and anyone who buys a Ford who has this.

With this announcement Tesla also announced that any non Tesla owner who wishes to use their supercharger must sign up for a Tesla subscription costing $13 a month. This is on top of the cost they already charge you for using the charger. So it's not going to cost Ford a dime to use Tesla's port and chargers but will cost their buyers. I can see a lot of buyers getting pissed off because of this and Ford losing sales.

CCS is the standard in every country except for the US. Once the bigger manufacturers start selling EV's in larger quantities here, I would totally expect them to throw their money and weight around and force US to make CCS the standard here as well.

[90503]

More on Ford and Tesla...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uverify%20wall

[Mr_Draco]

Originally Posted by 90503

More on Ford and Tesla...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uverify%20wall

Article is behind a pay wall. Can't read it.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Smart move on Tesla but imo stupid on Ford and anyone who buys a Ford who has this.

With this announcement Tesla also announced that any non Tesla owner who wishes to use their supercharger must sign up for a Tesla subscription costing $13 a month. This is on top of the cost they already charge you for using the charger. So it's not going to cost Ford a dime to use Tesla's port and chargers but will cost their buyers. I can see a lot of buyers getting pissed off because of this and Ford losing sales.

CCS is the standard in every country except for the US. Once the bigger manufacturers start selling EV's in larger quantities here, I would totally expect them to throw their money and weight around and force US to make CCS the standard here as well.

This will also put a hurting on all those Tesla buyers, but I guess it was inevitable

[90503]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Article is behind a pay wall. Can't read it.

Probably old news by now...lol...Maybe this link will work.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...5e0303bf&ei=19

[FarmerFran]

EV Corvette SUV confirmed? I seem to remember "CORVETTE" becoming a brand like Mustang

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

EV Corvette SUV confirmed? I seem to remember "CORVETTE" becoming a brand like Mustang

Confirmed? No. About as confirmed as Zora, meaning GM is saying nothing about it and at some levels denying existence, but we pretty much know it’s coming.

Actually, a lot of the reason Camaro has to end in early 2024 is because GM needs the time to convert the Lansing Grand River plant to produce the Corvette EV SUV.

[Iron Lung Jimmy]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

And then there is this...

And then there is THIS...

[90503]

Once again, Winston Smith has another job to re-write history. Remember when we were told how much inexpensive EVs would be to build? Fewer components than ICE cars, ease of assembly, etc. Even the affordable Bolt is history. But wait! The Equinox will do the job! (Probably won't last long as profits are King)..lol And now this...Promises, promises...The EV Transition now comes to grips with reality and the platitudes and hype won't save it. Bring back the common sense of ICE cars and end this EV madness...

Probably all in the plan from the 2017 Decision to go all EV by gm...lol...Oh well. Not surprised really. The EV scam continues....

https://insideevs.com/news/670573/gm...arket-ev-soon/

GM CEO Mary Barra rarely talks about Tesla, and she almost never praises the company or gives it credit for any of the success EVs are having today. Nonetheless, she recently admitted that the US EV maker does currently hold the lead in the fully electric space when it comes to technology, profitability, and scale.

According to Electrek, Barra made the mention during a Sanford Bernstein conference. She spoke about the situation as it stands today and made it clear that she's aware Tesla is leading. She also hinted at General Motors overtaking that lead, but didn't come right out and say it.

If you've been following CEO Barra and GM's EV plans over the years, you may know that the automaker promised a whole host of electric cars coming to market by now, with many affordable enough for mass-market adoption. However, sadly, only a handful of copies of very pricey EVs have hit the market: the GMC Hummer EV and Cadillac Lyriq. Moreover, the company has decided to discontinue its most affordable options: the Chevrolet Bolt EV and Bolt EUV.

Soon, however, GM will woo audiences and attract buyers with its affordable Chevrolet Equinox EV, with many more similar options coming thereafter.

After admitting that Tesla is currently leading, Barra when on to say that she just doesn't see profitable EVs coming to market with $30,000 to $40,000 price tags until the end of the decade, or perhaps even later. It seems she's indirectly pointing out that even though Tesla has the lead now, it doesn't (and can't soon) offer affordable mass-market EVs, so its lead could be temporary.

Barra went on to talk about profits, noting that the cost of making an EV is still so high that you can't sell them at low prices and still make money. Yet, GM says it's bringing the Equinox EV to market soon with a $30,000 price tag. Meanwhile, Tesla has dropped its prices many times this year, it does offer "affordable" EVs, and it's still making lots of money.

There's not a whole lot about any of this that makes much sense. Should we expect to wait until the end of the decade or longer for Chevrolet to bring the Equinox EV base model to market? By then, is $45,000 the new $30,000? When will GM make a profit with EVs and bring an onslaught to market to be the true leader?

[KMPrenger]

We'll just have to pay more for them so "gm" can make a profit...and we'll like it!!!

[90503]

You have to believe that "affordable" is whatever higher price they keep coming up with. The Bolt was 26K. The Equinox is said to be less expensive for them to build than the Bolt, but it costs 4K more just to start. Whatever their lowest priced unit is, it will be the least profitable and won't survive. Even Barra basically admits the Equinox is already a loser.

The car-buying public was sold a bill of goods about a mass-marketed, affordable EV. They will likely never exist, unless you believe their definition of affordable.

[Wyzz Kydd]

One of two things is happening.

Auto manufacturers are gambling that process innovation for EV manufacturing will be similar to what happened with flat screen and HD TVs. Initially expensive, but eventually quite affordable AND with enhanced features.

OR

Auto manufacturers know that affordable mass production EVs are not going to work for a variety of reasons, but they're resigned to a future of lower volume, higher profit vehicles.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd

One of two things is happening.

Auto manufacturers are gambling that process innovation for EV manufacturing will be similar to what happened with flat screen and HD TVs. Initially expensive, but eventually quite affordable AND with enhanced features.

OR

Auto manufacturers know that affordable mass production EVs are not going to work for a variety of reasons, but they're resigned to a future of lower volume, higher profit vehicles.

I don't think they are gambling for an outcome like HD TVs. The EVs and their batteries require materials that they likely knew would be insufficient to mass produce anything that would replace ICE. If they went in on a blind gamble they are dumber than I thought.

I think the scam is they know and knew all along EVs will never replace ICE in any numbers close to what is needed or what's affordable and we'll never see any VW Bug type EV cars here.

The end goal is the end of ICE and the end use of fossil fuels for propulsion. That will happen regardless of what EVs are for sale. If the middle class can't afford the high price that is needed to buy an EV, too bad. Take the bus. We're headed for the Cuban transportation model of constantly repaired clunkers providing private transportation for the lower classes.

[Wyzz Kydd]

Originally Posted by 90503

I don't think they are gambling for an outcome like HD TVs. The EVs and their batteries require materials that they likely knew would be insufficient to mass produce anything that would replace ICE. If they went in on a blind gamble they are dumber than I thought.

I think the scam is they know and knew all along EVs will never replace ICE in any numbers close to what is needed or what's affordable and we'll never see any VW Bug type EV cars here.

The end goal is the end of ICE and the end use of fossil fuels for propulsion. That will happen regardless of what EVs are for sale. If the middle class can't afford the high price that is needed to buy an EV, too bad. Take the bus. We're headed for the Cuban transportation model of constantly repaired clunkers providing private transportation for the lower classes.

Yep. My thoughts as well.