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10-13-2021, 08:48 PM | #100 |
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Seems to me like they are all tripping over each other to announce spending billions of dollars on new plants to build them and to announce when they will be x% zero emissions. Nobody’s forcing them to make those announcements.
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Maybe forced is a bad word. No doubt they're being coerced, let's say "encouraged," by local/federal policy/regulation and the threat of even stricter guidelines. Of course they see advantages post investment. To survive in this economy, they are projecting future state and responding. Adapt or die. If we had a true free market economy though (we don't), would things be different? I think so. Would the <2% EV market share encourage them to build more?
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I think that two things happened. Either they saw first hand the science behind climate change and the influence of transportation industries on the climate, or they saw the potential for properly developed skateboard platforms to reduce the significant expense of developing multiple vehicle platforms to support their vehicle portfolios. GM will use two platforms for their entire portfolio. Two. And they will use Lego set combinations of three electric motor types and two or three drive units and a modular battery scheme. Compare that to at least 6 ICE platforms, about 9 or 10 engine platforms and about 4 transmission platforms. There is significant long term cost savings to move to BEV platforms. The upfront investment is huge. The tens of billions of dollars that I have often referred to, but you make that investment once. With the 6 ICE platforms currently in play, GM makes incremental billion dollar investments every 3 - 6 years.
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Btw, do you happen to know if the VSS platforms were cancelled? It seems to be the case.
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10-17-2021, 09:19 AM | #104 |
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Saw this earlier today. I’ve never seen it laid out this way, but it tracks to what my company sees in the EV data.
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At current electric rates. Those will go up.
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As will gas. Especially as demand declines.
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Usually when demand declines, so do prices. But if the drop in demand leads to less production (I don't think it will) you may be right.
What is being forgotten, or ignored, is that when the price of electricity inevitably rises it will cost more not just to run your car, but everything else in your household. I know that my monthly electric bill is way, way more than my monthly gasoline bill. If my gasoline bill went to zero, but my electric bill went up 20-30% I'm at a net loss. So people who drive a lot and have low household utility bills will come out way ahead, but everyone else (most people) will not. Ironically, people who don't own a car will be hit the hardest. Last edited by Iron Lung Jimmy; 10-18-2021 at 06:04 PM. Reason: Clarity |
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Anyway, 50kWh x 10.8 cents per kWh = $5.40 for a full charge, or 250 miles of range. Normally was happens in an EV is you "top off" each night, like charging a cell phone, so the amount of daily charge would be less. For reference, our gas bill would average $225 per month with a GMC Acadia, when we switched to the Tesla Model 3 SR+ our electric bill increased about $20 per month. Assuming electricity costs stay relatively flat, this will be one of the biggest drivers for folks to move to an EV. Then you factor in no oil changes or any other fluid changes, reduced brake pad wear due to regen braking, charge at home convenience, etc. and it becomes clear that EVs make for great daily drivers. As for enthusiasts, that remains to be seen. My take is there is more work that needs to be done to make BEV more exciting to drive. Instant torque is great but that is only one driving dynamic. Newbies to EVs will be impressed at first by the torque of an EV motor but as time passes I think many will find that will not make up for all the other attributes of what makes a car fun to drive. Interesting times ahead for sure.
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They are always being increased with no end in sight. California is still extending power plant permits that are overdue to be shut down. About four on the coast and the last working nuclear plant are all slated to be shut down, regardless of the impact on available electricity. No new plants will ever be built here. Solar and wind have dubious futures and are far short of replacing the soon to be shut down plants.
The cheap money savings cost of EVs is now. It will only get costlier as time goes on. The tiers, rates, etc., are all in place and all subject to change. To me the biggest pit-fall in EVs will be the cost to charge them especially over the next few years ahead. Environmentalists want the old plants shut down now regardless of the impact to consumers. They will have their way soon enough. Rates for all electric use, if it's even available, will go sky high. If you care to see what's going on with SoCalEdison and their billing, rates, etc., here's a link to their web-site. https://www.sce.com/residential/rate...-vehicle-plans |
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18.3 cent/gallon Federal 32.9 cent/gallon in Wisconsin Betcha that the Federal will want to take more rather than let you pocket annual savings
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