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Old 11-29-2011, 09:38 AM   #43
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I didn't see a weight listed in there. But if its 2500ish as expected, thats not too impressive of a power to weight ratio.

I did notice that it makes about 100 hp/L, and its limited torque (151 ft-lbs) peaks very high in its rpm range (6600 rpm). I'd put my money on a V6 Camaro in a straight line -and I don't see anyone calling those monsters. Things change if the curb weight starts to approach a mere 2000 lbs, but I don't see that happening.
I just saw the weight specs revealed for the Subaru version ... 2689 lbs. The Toyota has to be within a few pounds. This is going to be a dog down low and in the midrange. Get the revs up it shouldn't be too bad, but still not terribly impressive. But I guess if its supposed to compete against cars like the RX8 it should do well enough.
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Old 11-29-2011, 03:44 PM   #44
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I just saw the weight specs revealed for the Subaru version ... 2689 lbs. The Toyota has to be within a few pounds. This is going to be a dog down low and in the midrange. Get the revs up it shouldn't be too bad, but still not terribly impressive. But I guess if its supposed to compete against cars like the RX8 it should do well enough.
I heard someone say that the car struggles up inclines...

Not sure where they heard that from but FWIW.
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:03 AM   #45
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Another update from Insideline:
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the 0-62-mph time is estimated at a modest 7.0 seconds. But the key facets of a 2,822-pound curb weight, rear-wheel drive, ESP that can be fully turned off, quick steering and a limited-slip differential make it a riot in the twisty stuff. The tires are also a critical part of its makeup, although they look a bit wimpy. They're the same size as the Prius's optional rubber (215/45R17) and offer equally tepid grip, all the better for lurid slide if the mood takes you.
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/86/...rst-drive.html

Overall, the mantra seems to have been 'fun not fast'
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Old 11-30-2011, 09:32 AM   #46
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Old 12-02-2011, 05:20 AM   #47
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The Mustang dwarfs this thing.. while still being a 2+2 coupe? People complain about the CAMARO having no room in the back seats.. so what the hell are you supposed to stick in the Toyobaru's back seats?
Even the Genesis coupe dwarfs this car! I've been reading about the "Toyobaru" for a while and say I find it very interesting!

This was mentioned at the press release about the backseat:

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Old 12-02-2011, 12:22 PM   #48
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The Mustang dwarfs this thing.. while still being a 2+2 coupe? People complain about the CAMARO having no room in the back seats.. so what the hell are you supposed to stick in the Toyobaru's back seats?

Just goes to show you what kind of a pig the Mustang, Challenger and Camaro are. Next Gen of them really need to trim the fat.
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Old 12-02-2011, 12:53 PM   #49
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The head designer of the Subaru (who seems like Subaru did most of the design) said you can get a full set of race wheels/tires and all tools in the trunk with the seat down.

The subaru is going to start at $24,000 and go on sale in may. Sign me up.
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Old 12-02-2011, 01:16 PM   #50
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Another update from Insideline:
http://www.insideline.com/toyota/86/...rst-drive.html

Overall, the mantra seems to have been 'fun not fast'
The ball appears to have been dropped.
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:12 PM   #51
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Back looks weak but the front is sick. Id drive one.
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Old 12-02-2011, 02:26 PM   #52
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I really can't wait to see the turbo veloster walk on this thing!
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I really can't wait to see the turbo veloster walk on this thing!
I can't wait for people to stop talking about it.
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Hmm. This FT-86 is too small. I've driven a Gen Coupe and you really don't want anything smaller than that.... Is a 6' 2" guy even going to fit in this Toyota/Subie? This picture makes it look otherwise.
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