[M0dnar]

Originally Posted by Malbjey

Why would GM make a boosted 6 cylinder Camaro, when it would clearly step on the toes of the SS? Their turbo 6 in the CT4-V Blackwing makes more power than an SS.

Why do you think I specified N/A V6? Name another manufacturer, besides Porsche, that makes a better N/A 6 cylinder engine today. And guess what--Porsche charges you 70K+ for a turbo 4, and 87K+ for an N/A 6 cylinder.

The engine isn't the only determination of a performance car. Lotus uses 4 and 6 cylinder Toyota engines in their cars. Does Lotus not make performance cars?

Chassis? The Camaro absolutely has a performance car chassis, regardless if you're talking I4 or V8. When GM can slap on some extra suspension, wheels and cooling to a basic V6 Camaro and embarrass other modern performance cars, don't come here with some bullshit about the chassis being too heavy or engine being too slow. Come the **** on.

Again, you have some inflated idea of what a performance car is. What is your baseline for a performance car? You haven't even said that. I bet you don't even have a baseline. Your argument so far has been 'anything but a V6 Camaro.'

You said performance is a moving target. Fine. The modern I4/V6 Camaros are still faster and will still out-handle the vast majority of cars on the road, including a Malibu V6, or whatever dumb shit you think is comparable.

This is especially true when compared to cars in their price range. Just because a car is built to cost doesn't mean it's not a performance car.

Anyway I'm done with your stupidity.

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I'm sorry you're happy with .5G of acceleration and think that's "fast". Go ride bitch on the back of a MotoAmerica racer and you'll start to understand what fast actually is. Or find someone near Randy's level of talent and ride passenger. Or better yet, get into real racing and get past the Miata cup bullshit and you'll even experience it yourself.

[redcoats1976]

someone with your level of experience could certainly find another place to pontificate...we wont miss you.

[Seniorrs]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

someone with your level of experience could certainly find another place to pontificate...we wont miss you.

Come on he's an ass ,but kind of interesting.

[redcoats1976]

an interesting ass...but still.

[M0dnar]

Ad Hoc Rescue

The loudest whiny voices are coming from boomers with fragile egos who are now being told that objectively speaking their V6 is not nearly as much of a performance vehicle that they thought/were led to believe. I stand by my original point: buying a V6 Camaro is just riding on the coattails of the performance metrics of a V8 Camaro so posers can feel cool. If there was no LT1, SS, Z/28, or ZL1 trim, the Camaro wouldn't even be relevant. It'd just be a slightly better looking Camry/Accord/Altima.

[Warrior102]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

For me if the V8 was out of the equation, it would be no question: V6 all the way. Consider:
Car and Driver V6 vs 4 cyl Camaro

That was brutal!

[redcoats1976]

[QUOTE=M0dnar;11099879]Ad Hoc Rescue

The loudest whiny voices are coming from boomers with fragile egos who are now being told that objectively speaking their V6 is not nearly as much of a performance vehicle that they thought/were led to believe. I stand by my original point: buying a V6 Camaro is just riding on the coattails of the performance metrics of a V8 Camaro so posers can feel cool. If there was no LT1, SS, Z/28, or ZL1 trim, the Camaro wouldn't even be relevant. It'd just be a slightly better looking Camry/Accord/Altima.[/ i guess it never occurred to you that some people just wanted a comfortable,reasonably sporty car and didnt plan on taking it to the track or driving recklessly on the street.i knew that the V8 would be faster,but to be truthful i didnt give a shit.im really happy for you that you feel you should tell the rest of us what to drive and how to think,but im not interested in your humble opinion.

[Seniorrs]

Originally Posted by Warrior102

That was brutal!

I test drove a 4cyl used camaro a year ago before I got my v6.I can see how the v6 would kill the 4 cyl at vir. The v6 is much stronger above 4k.The 4cyl has good power for driving on the street. MOdnar , you are a funny guy .

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

an interesting ass...but still.

True - although, the mods should step in here, IMO. Send this teenager packing. Clearly has a manhood issue. I think they make a cream you can rub on there to enhance/enlarge things but dont get any on your hands or it will make them bigger too!

[redcoats1976]

just to add perspective to this,a 1970 camaro SS396 4 speed car would do 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and top out around 125,meaning a 6th gen V6 would be slightly ahead of it assuming both are factory stock.not too shabby...

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by redcoats1976

just to add perspective to this,a 1970 camaro SS396 4 speed car would do 0-60 in 5.7 seconds and top out around 125,meaning a 6th gen V6 would be slightly ahead of it assuming both are factory stock.not too shabby...

I mean I would hope a car that’s 46 years newer would be faster even with 2 less cylinders. Engine tech has come a long way in that time

[redcoats1976]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

I mean I would hope a car that’s 46 years newer would be faster even with 2 less cylinders. Engine tech has come a long way in that time

certainly,and so has tire and suspension tech.i just thought it was amazing to compare a car with just over half the displacement to the top dog camaro of 1970 (excluding of course the nickeys and harrells and special order aluminum 427 blocks) and be so compareable...yet according to MOdnar its not really a camaro.

[s346k]

Originally Posted by M0dnar

If there was no LT1, SS, Z/28, or ZL1 trim, the Camaro wouldn't even be relevant.

he is 100% right about this.

with that being said, if i had to choose between 4 & 6 cyl camaros...id pick the 6 cyl.

[redcoats1976]

if it hadnt been for the mustang there likely would be no camaro.chevy already had chevelles and novas and could have covered the performance angle with either platform.