[Bosse'sBoss]

I visited the Mustang6g forum, and was very pleased to find that the majority spoke very highly about the Performance for the $ of the Camaro SS1LE VS the Mustang Mach l, except for the zombie brand loyalist that we also have on this side.


What surprise me the most was the comments from Sam Strano for whom I have my strongest respect as both a professional sport car competitor driver and a very honest performance Parts seller whom he tries his own products at the track. He mentions that the performance of both of his cars at the track: Mach l and SS1LE are very similar, but he didn't not trust the brakes of the Camaro consider them dangerous under track conditions.
Is the first time that I hear this type of comments about the 6th gen Camaro's Brakes. I was surprised


https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr....161487/page-2

[UnknownJinX]

Stupid question, but is he using the stock fluid in the SS 1LE?

Just double checking, because if he is, then I could see where he is coming from. Otherwise, I don't know why you wouldn't trust the SS 1LE brakes with a good fluid.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by UnknownJinX

Stupid question, but is he using the stock fluid in the SS 1LE?

Just double checking, because if he is, then I could see where he is coming from. Otherwise, I don't know why you wouldn't trust the SS 1LE brakes with a good fluid.

He says it was Redline RL600.

Redline RL 600. 604 dry boiling point 400 wet. A week old. Never had a problem with it in my Corvette. Never had a problem with it and anything else.

The only fluid property I can even think of that might have been involved is viscosity.

What I don't know is whether the SS 1LE or Camaros in general specifically call for low-viscosity fluid, or whether RL600 meets LV criteria or is of a viscosity that their ABS HCU can live with. So file the above under "wild-ass guess".



Norm

[willzilla]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

I visited the Mustang6g forum, and was very pleased to find that the majority spoke very highly about the Performance for the $ of the Camaro SS1LE VS the Mustang Mach l, except for the zombie brand loyalist that we also have on this side.


What surprise me the most was the comments from Sam Strano for whom I have my strongest respect as both a professional sport car competitor driver and a very honest performance Parts seller whom he tries his own products at the track. He mentions that the performance of both of his cars at the track: Mach l and SS1LE are very similar, but he didn't not trust the brakes of the Camaro consider them dangerous under track conditions.
Is the first time that I hear this type of comments about the 6th gen Camaro's Brakes. I was surprised


https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr....161487/page-2

Isn't the 1LE brakes Brembo front and rear whereas the Mach 1 is Brembo front and regular non brembo rear calipers?

[JamesNoBrakes]

Probably due to a bad bleed. Poor factory QC.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

Probably due to a bad bleed. Poor factory QC.

All the 1LE owners that track their car all the time would probably roll their eyes & walk away if he made that statement to their face.

That’s about where I’m at.

All systems come with limitations, learning them is up to the owner. Which I’m sure many have & did. To call them dangerous or deadly is up there with one of the most ridiculous statements I’ve heard in a while. With the correct fluid they should be better than anything else out there stock outside of super car status.

[DaveC113]

All ABS systems have the potential to not fully engage the brakes upon demand if it thinks one side of your car is on a low traction surface and the other is not.

Basically, if the passenger side falls off the road and the driver stabs the brakes the car can spin into oncoming traffic. ABS systems will therefore limit braking forces for a short duration to prevent this.

On track this can be an issue... it's not common but it can happen to any car. A few weeks ago it happened at an autox race to a GT350 and it didn't stop in time to avoid hitting a wall of cones you're not supposed to go past.

I've never experienced it, in part because I try not to stab the brakes, but I also use pads with slightly less bite than OEM. If you put in the grabbiest pads you can find and have tires that grip better vs OEM it can make it more likely to happen.

'19+ Camaros are better than previous years and AFAIK this behavior (commonly called ice mode) was disabled in the ZL1 1LE entirely.

The car requires more sensors and a more complicated system to address this. but it hasn't been done perfectly yet by any manufacturer AFAIK.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by DaveC113

'19+ Camaros are better than previous years.

I don't get it. Why 6th gen 19+ Camaros are better than the 6th gen '16-'18 year Camaros? Which were the performance improvements?

[DaveC113]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

I don't get it. Why 6th gen 19+ Camaros are better than '16-'18 year Camaros? Which were the improvements?

Apparently they hired an engineer to improve the ABS software, so it's a little different in '19+ cars. Other things changed in the electrical system so it can't be used on previous models.

IMO, it seems to mainly be an issue if you put more aggressive tires and brake pads on the car, then stab the brakes while the car is unsettled. So mfg'ers don't consider it an issue while those who do this and drive this way do.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

He says it was Redline RL600.


The only fluid property I can even think of that might have been involved is viscosity.

What I don't know is whether the SS 1LE or Camaros in general specifically call for low-viscosity fluid, or whether RL600 meets LV criteria or is of a viscosity that their ABS HCU can live with. So file the above under "wild-ass guess".

Norm

In that case, pretty odd that he calls the Camaro brakes deadly. No idea what could be wrong, then.

Originally Posted by willzilla

Isn't the 1LE brakes Brembo front and rear whereas the Mach 1 is Brembo front and regular non brembo rear calipers?

Looks like so, yes.

[m6-lt1]

That camaro had 40k on it. It probably has had a pad replacement and I wouldn’t be surprised if it has stoptech or some other non track oriented pad in it so that the owner wouldn’t have to deal with dust. Based on Randy’s comments I’m pretty sure this is what occurred.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

That camaro had 40k on it. It probably has had a pad replacement and I wouldn’t be surprised if it has stoptech or some other non track oriented pad in it so that the owner wouldn’t have to deal with dust. Based on Randy’s comments I’m pretty sure this is what occurred.

I would never expect Sam to favor aesthetics such as low dusting over braking performance at a track day. I've known Sam for nearly 20 years at this point; his name crops up in SCCA's Solo Rulebook (multi-time F-Stock National champion) going back that far, and he's been tracking for several years as well. You do know that he's the name behind Stranoparts, no?


Norm

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

I would never expect Sam to favor aesthetics such as low dusting over braking performance at a track day. I've known Sam for nearly 20 years at this point; his name crops up in SCCA's Solo Rulebook (multi-time F-Stock National champion) going back that far, and he's been tracking for several years as well. You do know that he's the name behind Stranoparts, no?


Norm

My mistake, I thought we were talking about Randy pobsts comparison video of the Mach 1 vs ss 1le

[Norm Peterson]

I will note that Sam tends to hold strong opinions, but those opinions are based on experience.


Norm