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Explanation of Launch Control | 252 | 61.02% | |
A8 Transmission Shudder Question | 134 | 32.45% | |
ZL1 1LE Nurburgring Suspension Settings | 17 | 4.12% | |
Why Was The M7 Transmission Not Used | 10 | 2.42% | |
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01-18-2018, 09:40 AM | #29 |
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Fair enough.
I guess I'd rather have everybody have to guess which way I voted (and never know for sure) than have everybody know right away and have people in three of these four discussions feel that I effectively voted against their topic. Norm
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01-18-2018, 02:38 PM | #30 |
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Definitely in for the bog issue m6's have. Zl1 and ss
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01-18-2018, 02:50 PM | #31 |
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How about why this car seems to be so unreliable and require so many repairs. I think that's much more valid than how to use launch control. My 2SS just spent 6 weeks at the dealer for various repairs and TSBs.
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01-18-2018, 03:06 PM | #32 | |
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Anyway, the launch control topic runs a little deeper than simply how to use launch control. There are a lot of people struggling with launching the M6 cars, especially the M6 ZL1. I've ran lots of 1/4 mile passes with my ZL1, and my PB 1/4 mile time is slower than what you have quoted in your signature for the 2SS. Many other people are having the same problem which is why the topic is so popular. Whether you compare the 6th Gen M6 ZL1 to an M6 SS, A8 SS, or the A10 ZL1; the time/horsepower discrepancies simply don't add up... Something is wrong.
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01-18-2018, 03:47 PM | #33 | |
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As to your track issues, M6... they are going to be slow and I'm speaking from experience in my old Challenger. Took me forever to learn to drive that car and a custom tune to be fast (10.80 at 130MPH 1/4) with a blower on the car, clutch, and a bunch of other stuff. M6 fun to drive, but PITA on the track. Beyond that, the issue is torque management and a custom tune will be required, but that's getting off topic I reckon. |
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We're not talking about getting into the 10s. Most of us M6 ZL1 guys would be happy with 11s. And it's not like it's just a few guys having trouble launching. Lots of guys with the M6 are struggling, including nearly every M6 ZL1 owner.
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01-18-2018, 05:20 PM | #35 | |
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The A10 bogs like crap over half the runs I've made. Then when the stars align it takes off and goes and you see those hero times. I ran 11.1 in the heat at fest last year. Then with the same exact settings and launch I ran 11.7. Every bit of that difference in time was the 60" with no spinning either run. Did this over and over with no consistency due to bog. Might as well just make 60' runs until I feel it take off, otherwise hit the brakes. I've done at least fifty or more 0-60 timed runs in all different configurations including drag radials. 3.6 one time and the next run a 4.1 with exact settings and traction. Yes there are more variables with the clutch making it even more difficult but I'm here to say the bog issue is the same, except the auto covers it up better. |
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I'm hopeful that the Camaro engineers will be able to help us all, even if the A10 guys only see an improvement in consistency (A10s already have impressive hero runs). Just for comparison sake... At the Fest, same day/same track as your 11.1, I was only able to get a 12.3 in the manual (I made three passes, ran three 12.3s).
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01-18-2018, 06:51 PM | #38 | |
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This car just pisses me off every time I launch because I never know. Now I just turn it all off and trying to learn it that way. I seriously think the problem is equal between the M6 and A10. And I don't really think it was extra time spent on the A10 to get it right. It's just the nature of auto v manual. But then what the heck to I know. |
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01-18-2018, 07:00 PM | #39 | |
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At the same time, I fully subscribe to the idea that some things are better left out of "committee" in order to get done correctly, and quickly. Especially not while in-process, and I'll never post a play-by-play...these are not always popular moves with the group at large, but it works. The question, as phrased in the linked thread will be the formal question. Rest assured, though; they have read everything you guys have said in both threads. So the response will be as all-encompassing as they are willing to get. I guess what I'm saying is we could email them: "ZL1 launching troubles, Go!" and it wouldn't make a lick of difference - they are very familiar with our (the forum) opinions and expectations on this topic. |
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GM could ignore the readings at low speed to avoid the problem, but since it's launch control and not roll-race control, I believe it's a flawed approach... But what do I know?
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