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*GTAHVIT* · 07-18-2012, 11:21 AM

OK..

I did some searching but couldn't find anything that really answers the question.

So I need some people smarter than me to bail me out of a little pickle I got myself into.

I've ordered the CTSV/ZL1 front calipers from Maureen @ Rodgers.

Went to drop them off at the powder coaters this morning with my stock SS rears to get them powder coated red.

The guy there said he HAD to remove the seals and pistons or he wouldn't powder coat them... He was afraid that baking them at 400 degrees would damage the seals...

On the SS calipers, No biggie the replacement kit is something like $40 for the piston/seal kit and 40 for the dust covers for both calipers

On the CTSV calipers... try $ $520 for the piston/seals and $83 for the dust cover.

Having said that... My question is.

Is it safe to powder coat calipers with the seals in them?

I'm thinking the CTSV/ZL1 caliper components are going to be pretty heat resistant to begin with. So, I'm leaning towards finding a place that will do it with the seals in...

Another argument for leaving the seals in is to avoid contaminating the brakes with solvent or the sand blasting media...

I'm looking for some opinions.

PQ · 07-18-2012, 11:24 AM

Simple.

Krylon.

Duh.................

*GTAHVIT* · 07-18-2012, 11:25 AM

I hate you.

PQ · 07-18-2012, 11:25 AM

400 degrees.

How hot do they get on a hot track day?

*GTAHVIT* · 07-18-2012, 11:27 AM

No idea... I was hoping Pete could enlighten us on that front. Or anyone who is a track hound, like Dan.

PQ · 07-18-2012, 11:29 AM

I"ve read in a few places on-line where temps had exceeded 500 degrees and that 490 degrees wasn't that bad.

Not sure what calipers they were talking about but I'm betting 400 should be fine?

Maybe if you can prove the guy that then he'll reconsider.

*GTAHVIT* · 07-18-2012, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PQ

I"ve read in a few places on-line where temps had exceeded 500 degrees and that 490 degrees wasn't that bad.

Not sure what calipers they were talking about but I'm betting 400 should be fine?

Maybe if you can prove the guy that then he'll reconsider.

That's what I was thinking...

PQ · 07-18-2012, 11:31 AM

They don't seem so concerned in this thread here...... http://forums.evolutionm.net/8403894-post6.html

Yes, it's a Mitsubitchy forum but still the temps of the calipers were pretty hot.

Synner · 07-18-2012, 11:34 AM

Its likely a non-issue if you leave them in but it adds liability on the part of the coater and some are unwilling to accept it. If a seal leaks a day, a year, etc down the line there's plenty of retards who will sue the coater for making their vehicle unsafe whether its their fault or not.

With brand new calipers you could very easily disassemble everything and reuse the seals if you're careful and don't damage any of them in the removal process.

Redemption · 07-18-2012, 11:40 AM

I would ask mike the power coater guy here on C5.

I don't think it's a big deal.

Or disassemble them like poster above mentions.

*GTAHVIT* · 07-18-2012, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Synner

Its likely a non-issue if you leave them in but it adds liability on the part of the coater and some are unwilling to accept it. If a seal leaks a day, a year, etc down the line there's plenty of retards who will sue the coater for making their vehicle unsafe whether its their fault or not.

With brand new calipers you could very easily disassemble everything and reuse the seals if you're careful and don't damage any of them in the removal process.

I was thinking the same thing... What do you think about contaminating the internals of the caliper? any risk of that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redemption

I would ask mike the power coater guy here on C5.

I don't think it's a big deal.

Or disassemble them like poster above mentions.

I'm pretty sure he does them with the seals in... Almost positive. I sent him a PM and left him a voicemail.

Darth_Emma · 07-18-2012, 11:54 AM

Why don't you ask Mike the Powdercoater? He does them all the time.

Here is his web site and he has an 800 number listed there: http://www.thepowdercoater.com

markmass · 07-18-2012, 11:55 AM

Mike did mine - a while back. I didn't have to re-seal....still stopping 15,000 miles later, which is nice.

Sleez · 07-18-2012, 11:59 AM

he removes the seals, he blasts them before coating.

he did seem to think it would be ok.

i baked mine at 200 deg with the seals in to cure the VHT paint, no issues at all.

from eastwood; "I do strongly reccomend complete dissasembly of the calipers before powder coating since in normal street use, calipers will never approach anything near the 400F cure temperature that powdercoating requires. With the 400F heat soak that the calipers will recieve during the cure period, some seal damage likely will occur.
Blasting should not be requred on new (not rebuilt) calipers. A thorough cleaning with Eastwood Pre http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...emType=PRODUCT or acetone is required to remove any traces of brake fluid or other contaminates from the surface of the castings. You can use High Temp Masking Tape http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...emType=PRODUCT combined with aluminum foil to mask machined and internal areas."

07-18-2012, 11:21 AM	#1
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	Powder Coating Calipers... Seals or no Seals OK.. I did some searching but couldn't find anything that really answers the question. So I need some people smarter than me to bail me out of a little pickle I got myself into. I've ordered the CTSV/ZL1 front calipers from Maureen @ Rodgers. Went to drop them off at the powder coaters this morning with my stock SS rears to get them powder coated red. The guy there said he HAD to remove the seals and pistons or he wouldn't powder coat them... He was afraid that baking them at 400 degrees would damage the seals... On the SS calipers, No biggie the replacement kit is something like $40 for the piston/seal kit and 40 for the dust covers for both calipers On the CTSV calipers... try $ $520 for the piston/seals and $83 for the dust cover. Having said that... My question is. Is it safe to powder coat calipers with the seals in them? I'm thinking the CTSV/ZL1 caliper components are going to be pretty heat resistant to begin with. So, I'm leaning towards finding a place that will do it with the seals in... Another argument for leaving the seals in is to avoid contaminating the brakes with solvent or the sand blasting media... I'm looking for some opinions. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

07-18-2012, 11:24 AM	#2
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	Simple. Krylon. Duh................. __________________

07-18-2012, 11:25 AM	#3
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	I hate you. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

07-18-2012, 11:25 AM	#4
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	400 degrees. How hot do they get on a hot track day? __________________

07-18-2012, 11:27 AM	#5
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,444 View My Garage	No idea... I was hoping Pete could enlighten us on that front. Or anyone who is a track hound, like Dan. __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

07-18-2012, 11:29 AM	#6
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	I"ve read in a few places on-line where temps had exceeded 500 degrees and that 490 degrees wasn't that bad. Not sure what calipers they were talking about but I'm betting 400 should be fine? Maybe if you can prove the guy that then he'll reconsider. __________________

07-18-2012, 11:31 AM	#8
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	They don't seem so concerned in this thread here...... http://forums.evolutionm.net/8403894-post6.html Yes, it's a Mitsubitchy forum but still the temps of the calipers were pretty hot. __________________

07-18-2012, 11:34 AM	#9
Synner Drives: cars Join Date: May 2011 Location: Oversneeze Posts: 4,544	Its likely a non-issue if you leave them in but it adds liability on the part of the coater and some are unwilling to accept it. If a seal leaks a day, a year, etc down the line there's plenty of retards who will sue the coater for making their vehicle unsafe whether its their fault or not. With brand new calipers you could very easily disassemble everything and reuse the seals if you're careful and don't damage any of them in the removal process.

07-18-2012, 11:40 AM	#10
Redemption Just Because! Drives: 2010 SIM 2SSRS Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 6,909	I would ask mike the power coater guy here on C5. I don't think it's a big deal. Or disassemble them like poster above mentions. __________________ My Build Thread

07-18-2012, 11:54 AM	#12
Darth_Emma Psssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh! Drives: under contruction Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Marysville, Ohio Posts: 12,996 View My Garage	Why don't you ask Mike the Powdercoater? He does them all the time. Here is his web site and he has an 800 number listed there: http://www.thepowdercoater.com

07-18-2012, 11:55 AM	#13
markmass TRI-COUNTY CAMAROS Drives: 2SS/RS Oct 2009 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Coral Springs Florida Posts: 448 View My Garage	Mike did mine - a while back. I didn't have to re-seal....still stopping 15,000 miles later, which is nice. __________________ GET-TORQ custom CAM 223/243 LSA113, Full LS3 conversion, 3200 stall Multi-Disk TC from Circle-D, B&M Supercooler to cool that tranny down....1 7/8" Kooks Headers and High flowCats. MACH XL Catbacks. Eibach springs, R2C Performance CAI, powdercoated calipers, Footwell lighting in tune with dome lights, tints, ABL Lighting, ACS T3 ports and ACS Eagle T3 triple LED lighting kit. Heritage grill, Hex vents, ZL1 rockers, ZL1 Diffuser, Quad tips...the list keeps getting longer - whats next??

07-18-2012, 11:59 AM	#14
Sleez Drives: 2010, 2LT, RS, 6M, ABM (#1893) SOLD Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Willits, CA Posts: 1,437 View My Garage	he removes the seals, he blasts them before coating. he did seem to think it would be ok. i baked mine at 200 deg with the seals in to cure the VHT paint, no issues at all. from eastwood; "I do strongly reccomend complete dissasembly of the calipers before powder coating since in normal street use, calipers will never approach anything near the 400F cure temperature that powdercoating requires. With the 400F heat soak that the calipers will recieve during the cure period, some seal damage likely will occur. Blasting should not be requred on new (not rebuilt) calipers. A thorough cleaning with Eastwood Pre http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...emType=PRODUCT or acetone is required to remove any traces of brake fluid or other contaminates from the surface of the castings. You can use High Temp Masking Tape http://www.eastwoodco.com/jump.jsp?i...emType=PRODUCT combined with aluminum foil to mask machined and internal areas."