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jesse121pm · 11-13-2023, 07:06 PM

So I am in need of axles not orileys ones like the ones I have, I am not looking to spend the $1800 on axles from geforce right now. So I have found a couple options on ebay, I found a pair of OEM axles for $170 off of a camaro with 65k miles and I found one left one for $130 that the car was at 16k miles. Which one would you go with. Mind you I have a passanger oem axle thats only has about 10k miles on it, my left axle that always breaks is an orileys axle so i really only need the left one. But I just thought I'd ask. The car i have right now also has 105k miles if that matters, it has a new oem diff and new drivers side axle. its a manual 2ss 2012 also

Moto-Mojo · 11-13-2023, 07:55 PM

I'm going to bore you with a story that probably won't be much help. But hang in here. Back in the 80's, when Front WD came out, I worked in the REAR wheel driveshaft business. (still do) We all thought we'd better get on board with the FWD world before we got left behind. BIG names like Dana (Spicer) got snookered by this new, emerging product/market. Dana built a new plant in Mexico to furnish quality, NEW parts.

When we would rebuild a CV axle we did it right. New components - outer/inner housings, new balls, new cages and the best boots, etc. They weren't cheap but they reasonable and made well.

Fast fwd a few short years. All the mass rebuilders figured out how to do all the cheap short cuts, build junk and forced us 'quality' rebuilders out of the whored up market. They became the bad rebuilt starter and alternator business. RIP good axles.

EXCEPT...there are still a few good, conscientious rebuilders of these kinds of axles out there. And good replacement parts are still available, though not available to the end user, that I know of. But might be wrong. If you can find the components, they are simple to rebuild. They won't be cheap, but if you do some looking around, you should find some. And they should be less than the inflated G-Force axles. I wish I could point you to a shop, but as I mentioned, all my people got out when most of these things turned into O'Reilly's $49.95 JUNK! Maybe look locally at a driveline or transmission rebuild shop. That's who used to do it.

Maybe try this directory here: http://www.rockfordcv.com/rcvexpstates.htm

The_bald_eagle_machine · 11-13-2023, 10:10 PM

I really want to upgrade my axles to DSS axles to match my driveshaft, but Alot of people say the axles are junk, complain about clicking noises, etc... I really just want the upgrade done for piece of mind and future upgrades. They used to have lower hp applications available but now they just have the big hp axles with the hefty price.

Infidel67 · 11-13-2023, 10:36 PM

Yeah, I rather not spent $1800 on a set of Axles and then have a bunch of problem.
So the G-force are Junk or the DSS? I'm thinking of the G-force Axles and the 1 piece driveshaft from QA1

jesse121pm · 11-13-2023, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Infidel67

Yeah, I rather not spent $1800 on a set of Axles and then have a bunch of problem.
So the G-force are Junk or the DSS? I'm thinking of the G-force Axles and the 1 piece driveshaft from QA1

DSS Aluminum or carbon fiber driveshaft will not break trust me. The axles I have seen break many times, everyone tells me geforce

Infidel67 · 11-13-2023, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jesse121pm

DSS Aluminum or carbon fiber driveshaft will not break trust me. The axles I have seen break many times, everyone tells me geforce

Copy that

Moto-Mojo · 11-14-2023, 07:34 AM

I don't know a great deal about G Force but I'd suspect they simply do what we used to do - use GOOD components, match ball-to-groove sizes and replace old cages and housings with new. Then they call it 'high perf.' The clicking and early failures are simply from reusing worn crap in the rebuild process.

fz4k98 · 11-14-2023, 08:08 AM

I am on my 2nd set of DSS axles. 1st set lasted about 30k before showing wear and then a clicking noise. They did not break but did wear out. They made some changes to the design which is supposed to help with them lasting longer.

I am pretty aggressive with the car and use it occasionally at the strip with slicks.

Moto-Mojo · 11-14-2023, 09:05 AM

The mass rebuilders, who make an attempt to do things right, regrind the grooves in the housings. This increases their size and you're supposed to match up larger balls to the new grooves. Some do, some don't. Many times too, they grind through the case hardening. Obviously, this shortens their life.

If you were standing on the bench surrounded by all the components, you could probably mix-and-match yourself the perfect axle. But obviously, they don't pay people minimum wage to stand around and do this to sell for them $49.95!

Jeff_SS · 11-14-2023, 10:17 AM

Buy once cry once. Just buy Gforce or DSS axles. They both have their own issues, so don't let people convince you that gforce is perfect or vice-versa. I've had to send my DSS axles in for repair once. I've had to replace boots on them as well as they crack with age. Just to be expected as I've had them for almost 10 years.
I have the 1000hp ones that they don't make anymore like someone above mentioned.

1JEWLDSSRS · 11-14-2023, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jesse121pm

DSS Aluminum or carbon fiber driveshaft will not break trust me. The axles I have seen break many times, everyone tells me geforce

I have this drive shaft and Pegasus solid rear cradle bushings and man what a difference it made in my Camaro's rear end tightness and performance!! A little more NVH, but that's to be expected, but I can't really hear it over my Corsa exhaust.

CamaroCracka · 11-14-2023, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jesse121pm

DSS Aluminum driveshaft will not break trust me.

Don't be so sure of that.

I run GForce Outlaws ever since I twisted the splined end right off a ZL1 outer. Very happy with their work and service. They also make the 9310 input shafts that go into RMP level 7 TR6060s, but they only sell to RPM.

OP, I've spent a lot of time on the web trying to source axle parts with no luck, but unlike when I was growing up around 4x4s, there don't seem to be any driveline shops that want to repair or upgrade an axle. If you find any place to get parts, please update the thread.

The only thing I know of that is between stock SS and GForce/DSS is the factory z28 and 1LE units. I run 1LEs on the vert and probably paid about 200 used. Sometimes you see them on eBay as SS axles because salvage yards don't realize they are 1LE axles. Some guys have been able to get their hands on Z28 axles lately, but they are about $400 ea. Externally, they look identical to the 1LE units. I even sold a set years ago for a couple hundred that I wish I had back. The difference between them and the SS seems to be the outer CV. I even compared the ZL1 outers with the 1LE, but they don't interchange.

What part of your left axle broke? I have a left axle that has everything but the CV boot which went to repair the afore mentioned salvage yard 1LE axle. They are easy to disassemble and shipping one end would be fairly cheap compared to an entire axle.

Moto-Mojo · 11-14-2023, 08:04 PM

I'm going to get you boys some references. I know too many people to think that the only place to get a decent product is from DSS.

Stand by...

ABM2SS · 11-15-2023, 08:39 AM

I bought a pair of low mileage, used axles from Hawks Motorsports. I tried an aftermarket axle from RockAuto, but it wouldn't stay engaged in the differential.

11-13-2023, 07:06 PM	#1
jesse121pm Drives: 2012 Camaro 2ss 45th anniversary Join Date: Nov 2021 Location: Ohio Posts: 88 View My Garage	Axles So I am in need of axles not orileys ones like the ones I have, I am not looking to spend the $1800 on axles from geforce right now. So I have found a couple options on ebay, I found a pair of OEM axles for $170 off of a camaro with 65k miles and I found one left one for $130 that the car was at 16k miles. Which one would you go with. Mind you I have a passanger oem axle thats only has about 10k miles on it, my left axle that always breaks is an orileys axle so i really only need the left one. But I just thought I'd ask. The car i have right now also has 105k miles if that matters, it has a new oem diff and new drivers side axle. its a manual 2ss 2012 also

11-13-2023, 07:55 PM	#2
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	I'm going to bore you with a story that probably won't be much help. But hang in here. Back in the 80's, when Front WD came out, I worked in the REAR wheel driveshaft business. (still do) We all thought we'd better get on board with the FWD world before we got left behind. BIG names like Dana (Spicer) got snookered by this new, emerging product/market. Dana built a new plant in Mexico to furnish quality, NEW parts. When we would rebuild a CV axle we did it right. New components - outer/inner housings, new balls, new cages and the best boots, etc. They weren't cheap but they reasonable and made well. Fast fwd a few short years. All the mass rebuilders figured out how to do all the cheap short cuts, build junk and forced us 'quality' rebuilders out of the whored up market. They became the bad rebuilt starter and alternator business. RIP good axles. EXCEPT...there are still a few good, conscientious rebuilders of these kinds of axles out there. And good replacement parts are still available, though not available to the end user, that I know of. But might be wrong. If you can find the components, they are simple to rebuild. They won't be cheap, but if you do some looking around, you should find some. And they should be less than the inflated G-Force axles. I wish I could point you to a shop, but as I mentioned, all my people got out when most of these things turned into O'Reilly's $49.95 JUNK! Maybe look locally at a driveline or transmission rebuild shop. That's who used to do it. Maybe try this directory here: http://www.rockfordcv.com/rcvexpstates.htm __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx Last edited by Moto-Mojo; 11-14-2023 at 07:29 AM.

11-13-2023, 10:10 PM	#3
The_bald_eagle_machine Anthony S Drives: 2011 chevrolet camaro 2ss/rs Join Date: Apr 2021 Location: Chiefland, FL Posts: 842	I really want to upgrade my axles to DSS axles to match my driveshaft, but Alot of people say the axles are junk, complain about clicking noises, etc... I really just want the upgrade done for piece of mind and future upgrades. They used to have lower hp applications available but now they just have the big hp axles with the hefty price. __________________ Follow me on instagram @The_bald_eagle_machine https://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=600181 Mods: Texas Speed 2 inch headers, high flow cats, and X-pipe. Custom mid-pipe, Borla Xr1 mufflers. Torqstorm Supercharger, 3.1" pulley, ZL1 fuel pump. MGW Shifter, Mcleod RST clutch, Tick master cylinder and Tick Billet bushing reinforced slave cylinder. DSS One-piece 3.5" Driveshaft, Metco Driveshaft safety loop, BCRacing Coilovers. BMR Poly Diff bushings, Poly Rear cradle bushings, Sub-frame connectors, Lower control arms, camber arms, and toe links.

11-13-2023, 10:36 PM	#4
Infidel67 Life's just a Ride Drives: 2011 Synergy Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Columbia SC Posts: 854 View My Garage	Yeah, I rather not spent $1800 on a set of Axles and then have a bunch of problem. So the G-force are Junk or the DSS? I'm thinking of the G-force Axles and the 1 piece driveshaft from QA1 __________________ 2011 Synergy Camaro 2SS/RS Ls3, LTH, CAI Custom Intake, TSP stage-3 111-LSA Cam, RWHP 503/508

11-14-2023, 07:34 AM	#7
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	I don't know a great deal about G Force but I'd suspect they simply do what we used to do - use GOOD components, match ball-to-groove sizes and replace old cages and housings with new. Then they call it 'high perf.' The clicking and early failures are simply from reusing worn crap in the rebuild process. __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

11-14-2023, 08:08 AM	#8
fz4k98 Drives: 2013 1ss Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: WI. Posts: 520	I am on my 2nd set of DSS axles. 1st set lasted about 30k before showing wear and then a clicking noise. They did not break but did wear out. They made some changes to the design which is supposed to help with them lasting longer. I am pretty aggressive with the car and use it occasionally at the strip with slicks.

11-14-2023, 09:05 AM	#9
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	The mass rebuilders, who make an attempt to do things right, regrind the grooves in the housings. This increases their size and you're supposed to match up larger balls to the new grooves. Some do, some don't. Many times too, they grind through the case hardening. Obviously, this shortens their life. If you were standing on the bench surrounded by all the components, you could probably mix-and-match yourself the perfect axle. But obviously, they don't pay people minimum wage to stand around and do this to sell for them $49.95! __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx Last edited by Moto-Mojo; 11-14-2023 at 09:25 AM.

11-14-2023, 10:17 AM	#10
Jeff_SS "Cam Only" Drives: 2013 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Posts: 1,709 View My Garage	Buy once cry once. Just buy Gforce or DSS axles. They both have their own issues, so don't let people convince you that gforce is perfect or vice-versa. I've had to send my DSS axles in for repair once. I've had to replace boots on them as well as they crack with age. Just to be expected as I've had them for almost 10 years. I have the 1000hp ones that they don't make anymore like someone above mentioned. __________________ 2013 AGM Camaro 2SS/RS M6 \| LSA Blower, 2.5" pulley, 10% lower, FIC1000's, Fore Innovations Twin Pump fuel system w/ Flex Fuel, CMS Custom Grind Cam, Kooks 1 7/8" headers w/ catless off-road pipes, NPP Exhaust, 3.91's, JLT ZL1 Intake, Prospeed Heat Exchanger \| Pfadt Suspension, 1LE Sway Bars \| DSS 1000hp axles \| Tuned by Ryne @ CMS E85: 734rwhp/636rwtq (mustang dyno)

11-14-2023, 08:04 PM	#13
Moto-Mojo Fast Cars and Old Guitars Drives: 2015 2SS RS (L99, baby!) Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: N. CA Posts: 3,973	I'm going to get you boys some references. I know too many people to think that the only place to get a decent product is from DSS. Stand by... __________________ “I don’t want to belong to any club that would have me as a member.” - Groucho Marx

11-15-2023, 08:39 AM	#14
ABM2SS Drives: 2010 SS M6 ABM Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Nashville, IN Posts: 270	I bought a pair of low mileage, used axles from Hawks Motorsports. I tried an aftermarket axle from RockAuto, but it wouldn't stay engaged in the differential.