Confirmed: 2015 Mustang S550 getting 300HP Ecoboost 4 Cylinder Turbo!

[King Sun]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

But a highly tuned EcoBoost 4 unique to the Mustang and maybe a couple other lower volume special cars will be more expensive to build than a NA V6 that is share with more and higher volume parts of the Ford lineup.

As for sticker price cost, Ford is already offering EcoBoost 4s as extra cost options over base NA V6s in some of their cars.



No 4-cylinder model is going to rival the V8s. The turbo 4 is nothing more than an ingenious way to sell the same power as a V6, all while charging more upfront, having an easier time lying about fuel economy, and giving their dealers a huge extra profit source down the road when they start billing for turbo replacements.

you sure about that?

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

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No 4-cylinder model is going to rival the V8s. The turbo 4 is nothing more than an ingenious way to sell the same power as a V6, all while charging more upfront, having an easier time lying about fuel economy, and giving their dealers a huge extra profit source down the road when they start billing for turbo replacements.

I agree with you that the factory Turbo 4 won't compete with the V8. Its not meant to. Hey, whether they offer the turbo 4 or not is not a big deal to me, cuz I'd like to see the V6 still, but at the same time if Ford offers one, I see Chevy doing it too. It could be great on bringing over the tuner crowd to Mustang and Camaro. Its all about sales right?

What I said was if there are tunes available for them, they will be pretty damn quick and a quick way for someone to get good power in a cheaper package (albeit killing their warranty of course, but thats not the point here).

If you think there aren't all kinds of cobalt SS's running around out there with little more than basic bolt ons and a tune that won't eat up stock L99s....you'd be wrong.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by King Sun

you sure about that?

I'm not saying a turbo 4 in a 2700 lb car couldn't be a match for a V8 in a 3800 lb car. But that is a completely different argument. That's a case of less mass making up for the engine's shortcomings. The discussion here is engine vs. engine, not entire car/package vs. entire car/package.

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

If you think there aren't all kinds of cobalt SS's running around out there with little more than basic bolt ons and a tune that won't eat up stock L99s....you'd be wrong.

A tuned Cobalt and a stock L99 Camaro are two completely different cars. And a "resonably" tuned Cobalt engine still wouldn't compare to the L99, its short comings would simply be made up by having a much lighter car.

Second, your argument is moot if you are going to base it on modding. You can mod a car to do anything the size of your wallet will allow. Yes, you can tune a Turbo 4 to match, or maybe even beat a stock V8 if you really throw a lot of money at it and don't care about durability, but the V8 can be modded, too.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

I agree with you that the factory Turbo 4 won't compete with the V8. Its not meant to. Hey, whether they offer the turbo 4 or not is not a big deal to me, cuz I'd like to see the V6 still, but at the same time if Ford offers one, I see Chevy doing it too. It could be great on bringing over the tuner crowd to Mustang and Camaro. Its all about sales right?

What I said was if there are tunes available for them, they will be pretty damn quick and a quick way for someone to get good power in a cheaper package (albeit killing their warranty of course, but thats not the point here).

If you think there aren't all kinds of cobalt SS's running around out there with little more than basic bolt ons and a tune that won't eat up stock L99s....you'd be wrong.

Ford has been really smart with EcoBoost. They have huge gains with just a tune. The Next Gen Shelby/Cobra/SVT Mustang will be a monster if it has an EcoBoost 8...

[BaylorCamaro]

Well this is interesting news.

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[AKA-22]

Originally Posted by shaffe

See below



Anybody that says they don't care what the competition is doing needs to turn their blinders off. If you really care about your brand, you should care what the competition is doing. Why, because its going to end up making whichever one your prefer get better. When competition is going strong the consumer wins.

love chevy dont give a crap what the others do

[Blue Menace]

I for one am very excited about these new power wars. As a brand new wrx owner, I am learning just how fun turbo 4's can be. And for those that say they can't hang with V8s, I'd encourage you to look at performance numbers and also go drive one. (I recognize the wrx's awd changes some variables.)

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by AKA-22

love chevy dont give a crap what the others do

Yet another person that doesn't understand that competition makes things better for each side :rollseyes:

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

Yet another person that doesn't understand that competition makes things better for each side :rollseyes:

Perhaps...but remember that for a small group of us enthusiasts - it truly, honestly, doesn't matter what happens outside of the Chevy showroom. They'd have bought it anyways.

I think I might have one foot in that camp, but I really haven't had reason to think about it too much.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Second, your argument is moot if you are going to base it on modding. You can mod a car to do anything the size of your wallet will allow. Yes, you can tune a Turbo 4 to match, or maybe even beat a stock V8 if you really throw a lot of money at it and don't care about durability, but the V8 can be modded, too.

I'm not trying to argue anything. I'm fully aware that when it comes to modding, your wallet is the limit. All I'm saying is that the 4 banger tuner crowd should like it, and it will be a good platform for easy power.

Don't want to de-rail the thread.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Perhaps...but remember that for a small group of us enthusiasts - it truly, honestly, doesn't matter what happens outside of the Chevy showroom. They'd have bought it anyways.

I think I might have one foot in that camp, but I really haven't had reason to think about it too much.

Number 1 for me is looks with performance an important 2nd (cause you gotta be able to have fun too) . If it don't look good, well it had better have a crap ton of power or something substaintial over the competition or else I won't consider it.

I think GM knows how important it is to nail the design. I sure hope they can do it!

[05stram]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Mu...ond_generation) maybe their refresh will keep them on course and change the body style to reflect the experiment they once had with the other four cylinder

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Perhaps...but remember that for a small group of us enthusiasts - it truly, honestly, doesn't matter what happens outside of the Chevy showroom. They'd have bought it anyways.

I think I might have one foot in that camp, but I really haven't had reason to think about it too much.

That's a poor way to think about competition. It may not matter to you but you have to look at the big picture. What Ford does affects Chevy and vice versa. That's the importance but otherwise it really doesn't matter from a personal standpoint.

[TJ91]

I onno know how I feel about this lol I dont even know what to say
Feel like the engine is going to work superhard to get the good mpg numbers when cruising
Im guessing new mustang will weight 3300-3500 pounds but still.
Would much rather them stick to v6s and v8s
Hear a turbo 4 sound out of a Mustang or Camaro is going to be hard to get over for myself lol Call myself ignorant just being honest