GM CATCH CAN Warranty Denial PETITION

[Dizzy82]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

everyone is overlooking the FACT that its a federal crime to add a catch can device to your PCV system. Or mod it in any other way, even if it helps the system in a positive way

So EVERYONE on CAMARO5 is a felon?

[CCMADONNA]

Originally Posted by Dizzy82

So EVERYONE on CAMARO5 is a felon?

yup.

[Jc's1LE]

So i have a question then when my 1LE was ready for pick at the dealer the catch can was already installed by them.

[STINGER BEE]

Everyone with a catch can is a Felon,this gotta be a Joke.

Originally Posted by CCMADONNA

yup.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by CCMADONNA

Please cite the source.
It's not that I am doubting you, but I would like an unequivocal answer, not an article that says, "a catch-can may violate federal law"

I dont have to cite the source.

FACT: PCV is a emission control device
http://www.econofix.com/pcv.html
FACT:change any part of any emission control device difference from OEM spec is federal crime. I how ever believe it might be ok to change to another certified system.


Modding your PCV system is the same thing as deleting your cats.

If you change any part of PCV you technically speaking have committed a federal crime, which usually for this results in a fine.

The point i am trying to make is that this would be a easy case for GM because the OP has committed a federal crime.

guys please just google what i am saying, its really not a hard concept to understand. If i was a lawyer it would be so easy to tell the court the OP has changed a finely tuned emission control device.

When money is on the line, they will try everything they can to win the case.

[Superman09]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

I dont have to cite the source.

FACT: PCV is a emission control device
http://www.econofix.com/pcv.html
FACT:change any part of any emission control device difference from OEM spec is federal crime. I how ever believe it might be ok to change to another certified system.


Modding your PCV system is the same thing as deleting your cats.

If you change any part of PCV you technically speaking have committed a federal crime, which usually for this results in a fine.

The point i am trying to make is that this would be a easy case for GM because the OP has committed a federal crime.

guys please just google what i am saying, its really not a hard concept to understand. If i was a lawyer it would be so easy to tell the court the OP has changed a finely tuned emission control device.

When money is on the line, they will try everything they can to win the case.

It's a federal crime to "tamper" with the emissions system. And the definition of tamper is "Tampering is removing or making inoperable any system or device used to control emissions from a motor vehicle engine." I have neither removed nor made inoperable the PCV system.

Further the EPA's policy states "This policy states that the EPA will not consider any modification to a certified configuration to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis that emissions are not adversely affected" which a my catch can does not adversely affect the emissions system, if anything it improves it.
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[Scott@Bjorn3D]

Originally Posted by Jc's1LE

So i have a question then when my 1LE was ready for pick at the dealer the catch can was already installed by them.

What GM includes on the 1LE is a clean side oil catching device. The catch can being discussed with this issue is the catch cans the car really needs. It is on the dirty side of PVC system.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

I dont have to cite the source.

FACT: PCV is a emission control device
http://www.econofix.com/pcv.html
FACT:change any part of any emission control device difference from OEM spec is federal crime. I how ever believe it might be ok to change to another certified system.


Modding your PCV system is the same thing as deleting your cats.

If you change any part of PCV you technically speaking have committed a federal crime, which usually for this results in a fine.

The point i am trying to make is that this would be a easy case for GM because the OP has committed a federal crime.

guys please just google what i am saying, its really not a hard concept to understand. If i was a lawyer it would be so easy to tell the court the OP has changed a finely tuned emission control device.

When money is on the line, they will try everything they can to win the case.

I could see them using this angle if it is in the slightest of grey areas. Good point.

If the catch can is an emissions certified componet and it was installed to manufacturer specs then there argument would be worthless. Regardless, they still would have to prove how it caused the oil pump to fail if that is what really happened to his car. I haven't read definitely that that was the failure.

[Camaro Dude]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

....

If you change any part of PCV you technically speaking have committed a federal crime, which usually for this results in a fine.

The point i am trying to make is that this would be a easy case for GM because the OP has committed a federal crime.

guys please just google what i am saying, its really not a hard concept to understand. If i was a lawyer it would be so easy to tell the court the OP has changed a finely tuned emission control device.

We understand your point.

The judge could fine the dude on a completely different citation, having absolutely nothing to do with the accused oil pump failure .

So you are saying, by committing a federal crime, due to tampering with emissions control device, this thus renders your entire powertrain warranty void?

This includes: Alternator, Oil pump, all actuators and electrical components internal to the engine (e.g., Active Fuel Management valve, lifter and oil manifold) cylinder head, block, timing gears, timing chain, timing cover, oil pump/oil pump housing, OHC carriers, valve covers, oil pan, seals, gaskets, manifolds, flywheel, water pump, harmonic balancer, engine mount, turbocharger, and superchargers....transmission, transaxle, rear diff, etc?

If that is the case(which I doubt), then it's time for the manufacturers to re-write the rule book, and contract in a clean one liner, and end this once and for all. That would be a game changer for sure.

Accusing the defendant with tampering with the emissions device, and breaking the law, and accusing the accused with hiding their head in the sand on faulty relief valves in the oil pump, causing catastrophic engine failure, may very well be two entirely different cases, as far as a judge may be concerned, that is our point here, well at least mine.

[Mr. Stacy]

Originally Posted by Superman09

It's a federal crime to "tamper" with the emissions system. And the definition of tamper is "Tampering is removing or making inoperable any system or device used to control emissions from a motor vehicle engine." I have neither removed nor made inoperable the PCV system.

Further the EPA's policy states "This policy states that the EPA will not consider any modification to a certified configuration to be a violation of federal law if there is a reasonable basis that emissions are not adversely affected" which a my catch can does not adversely affect the emissions system, if anything it improves it.
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[Elite Engineering]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

everyone is overlooking the FACT that its a federal crime to add a catch can device to your PCV system. Or mod it in any other way, even if it helps the system in a positive way

Want to correct this statement, this is ONLY the case for the vented, breathers, or other cans/tanks that defeat the functions of the PCV system. ALL Elite Engineering systems are Emissions compliant and have zero negative effect on the PCV system and also reduce tail-pipe emissions. This again falls into what can and cannot legally void the warranty. So many "snake oil" varieties are being sold on EBay and from vendors that defeat or delete the PCV system and/or it's functions, and those DO give grounds to void as they reduce engine life and some cause engine damage over time as well as being illegal in all 50 States to use on the street. ONLY CA do we not have the CA specific CARB cert yet, but federally we comply by retaining a cloesd system that does not reduce any of the PCV systems functions, in fact ours enhance the factory PCV system if you get the E2-X dual valve or the E2 and utilize the dual outlets properly with the proper check valves.

[ml8766]

Signed. Good luck!

[FloridaBill]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

I dont have to cite the source.

FACT: PCV is a emission control device
http://www.econofix.com/pcv.html
FACT:change any part of any emission control device difference from OEM spec is federal crime.

So is cutting the tags off of your pillow.... No one is doing time over it.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by FloridaBill

So is cutting the tags off of your pillow.... No one is doing time over it.

If you bothered to read the tag, it is only to be cut by the consumer ... Just saying