Camaro Z28 prototype production ramping up? Z/28 driveshafts ordered by GM!

[SummoneR]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

that carppy IRS???

I was thinking the same thing.
I love the IRS

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by SummoneR

I was thinking the same thing.
I love the IRS

[TheStigsFatAmericanCousin]

Originally Posted by Robert91RS

I don't see the displacement going down until the 6th Gen. Just my prediction.


I would meet you in the middle. How about a 12 bolt with IRS and 4:11 gears? You can keep the rock crusher

I like the way you think!!!

Originally Posted by JusticePete

that carppy IRS???

Originally Posted by SummoneR

I was thinking the same thing.
I love the IRS

Sorry - I was being sarcastic

[SummoneR]

Originally Posted by TheStigsFatAmericanCousin

I like the way you think!!!





Sorry - I was being sarcastic

Ah gotcha I see it now

[GearheadSS]

If GM wants to target the GT500, they need to put something besides the LSA in the car. The GT500 will dyno near 500hp at the rear wheels. This car needs an engine with forged internals that can be built for 700+ rwhp easily. The LSA does't fit that bill.

[ViperTomcat]

Originally Posted by MorphWS6

If GM wants to target the GT500, they need to put something besides the LSA in the car. The GT500 will dyno near 500hp at the rear wheels. This car needs an engine with forged internals that can be built for 700+ rwhp easily. The LSA does't fit that bill.

The LS9 wouldnt be bad..except for the fact that it is built by hand and would raise the price of the Camaro too much.

The GT500 puts down closer to 470 at the wheels, not 500. Will the GT500 still be able to outrun it? probably, but it will be drivers race as both will be 6 sp manuals.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by MorphWS6

If GM wants to target the GT500, they need to put something besides the LSA in the car. The GT500 will dyno near 500hp at the rear wheels. This car needs an engine with forged internals that can be built for 700+ rwhp easily. The LSA does't fit that bill.

The LSA features forged internals...the GT500 doesn't dyno that high....and why does it need to be built from the factory to handle that sort of power?

[Robert91RS]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The LSA features forged internals...the GT500 doesn't dyno that high....and why does it need to be built from the factory to handle that sort of power?

The LSA makes 550hp without trying. GM could turn it up to 600 with a tune and boost adjustment. So where is the problem?

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Robert91RS

The LSA makes 550hp without trying. GM could turn it up to 600 with a tune and boost adjustment. So where is the problem?

or a slightly hotter cam.

[JusticePete]

Is it really a HP contest? I own a Mustang and a Camaro. They are very different automobiles. The Mustang is much smaller maybe 80 or 85% the size of a Camaro. The rear seat in the Mustang is tiny by comparison. The Mustang is lighter. The Camaro is more comfortable. The Camaro has a state of the art IRS. The front sub-frame on the Camaro runs full on forward. The front sub-frame on the Mustang stops a foot short of that.

We have engineered complete suspension solutions for the Camaro and the Mustang, though we have not yet released the Mustang bits. Pedderised, they are both strong performers on the track. With similar RWHP the Mustang has a slight advantage do to weight.

Speaking of weight, we had to move the battery from under the hood to the trunk for weight distribution on the Mustang. That is stock on the Camaro. The advantage for OEM brakes goes to the Camaro. We did design a couple of chassis braces for the Mustang based on necessity and OE chassis design. We offer no chassis braces for the Camaro because there is no need for them.

Which is a better car? Tough question. The ride quality and vehicle dynamics for the IRS Camaro are a huge plus. A NBA coach cannot coach a player taller. He can teach them to compensate, but make the same player with the same skill set taller and they are better. The Mustang is lighter. That allows the driver to compensate for the three link rear.

Beating a whatever Mustang is not all about the engine. The Camaro has a fabulous ZETA chassis. We should be building the Z28 around the suspension, brakes and modest HP gains leveraging the strengths of the vehicle. If GM can take out a couple of hundred pounds with carbon or aluminum...

[TheStigsFatAmericanCousin]

Originally Posted by SummoneR

Ah gotcha I see it now

Originally Posted by MorphWS6

If GM wants to target the GT500, they need to put something besides the LSA in the car. The GT500 will dyno near 500hp at the rear wheels. This car needs an engine with forged internals that can be built for 700+ rwhp easily. The LSA does't fit that bill.

Why? LSAs are putting down from about 450 (A6) through 500 RWHP (M6). Though it would be bad@$$ to have that potential, how many would really need it? How much more would that cost? If Z28 comes with about 500 RWHP stock, getting another hundred to the tire should be pretty dang easy, and it still keep most of the reliability/durability of the OEM pieces.

That's just me though.

Originally Posted by ViperTomcat

The LS9 wouldnt be bad..except for the fact that it is built by hand and would raise the price of the Camaro too much.

The GT500 puts down closer to 470 at the wheels, not 500. Will the GT500 still be able to outrun it? probably, but it will be drivers race as both will be 6 sp manuals.

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

The LSA features forged internals...the GT500 doesn't dyno that high....and why does it need to be built from the factory to handle that sort of power?

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

or a slightly hotter cam.

LS9?

Originally Posted by Robert91RS

The LSA makes 550hp without trying. GM could turn it up to 600 with a tune and boost adjustment. So where is the problem?

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Is it really a HP contest? I own a Mustang and a Camaro. They are very different automobiles. The Mustang is much smaller maybe 80 or 85% the size of a Camaro. The rear seat in the Mustang is tiny by comparison. The Mustang is lighter. The Camaro is more comfortable. The Camaro has a state of the art IRS. The front sub-frame on the Camaro runs full on forward. The front sub-frame on the Mustang stops a foot short of that.

We have engineered complete suspension solutions for the Camaro and the Mustang, though we have not yet released the Mustang bits. Pedderised, they are both strong performers on the track. With similar RWHP the Mustang has a slight advantage do to weight.

Speaking of weight, we had to move the battery from under the hood to the trunk for weight distribution on the Mustang. That is stock on the Camaro. The advantage for OEM brakes goes to the Camaro. We did design a couple of chassis braces for the Mustang based on necessity and OE chassis design. We offer no chassis braces for the Camaro because there is no need for them.

Which is a better car? Tough question. The ride quality and vehicle dynamics for the IRS Camaro are a huge plus. A NBA coach cannot coach a player taller. He can teach them to compensate, but make the same player with the same skill set taller and they are better. The Mustang is lighter. That allows the driver to compensate for the three link rear.

Beating a whatever Mustang is not all about the engine. The Camaro has a fabulous ZETA chassis. We should be building the Z28 around the suspension, brakes and modest HP gains leveraging the strengths of the vehicle. If GM can take out a couple of hundred pounds with carbon or aluminum...

That's a lot of cool information. What do you mean when the front subframe runs on full forward though?

[Robert91RS]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Is it really a HP contest?

I agree with all your points but yes it has been a HP contest and Chevy has been the leader for some time now. Don't get me wrong though, I don't think for one second its the only thing that makes a car fast, just that the GM team has become accustomed to winning that aspect of the battle. It certainly makes me happy.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by TheStigsFatAmericanCousin

That's a lot of cool information. What do you mean when the front subframe runs on full forward though?

If you were to remove the front fascia on a G8 you would find almost no metal structure forward of the strut towers. A Camaro is built like a submarine where every opening is like a hatch surrounded by a bulkhead. Some of this is for style, but it all doubles for strength. Remove the front fascia on a Camaro and there is steel to the front. You can see the surround of steel like a bulkhead when you open the hood, but I digress.

Underneath the car the ZETA or ZETA II sub-frame runs mounts with six bolts -- three per side. All the functional elements of the front suspension are part of the sub-frame including the sway bar. On a Mustang, the sway bar is mounted beneath the radiator, but not connected to the front sub-frame. This leaves the steering rack mounted to the sub-frame and the front sway bar connect by endlinks but not connect by sub-frame. Adding a lattice style brace to the Mustang front sub-frame ties the sway bar to the sub-frame. It doesn't sound like much, but it makes a HUGE difference in the feel and performance of the car. For the daily driver, the car jut feels like it is a better built automobile -- more solid and substantial -- and it is better built with the brace. For a performance driver, the front sub-frame just grew a foot, the sway bar becomes more efficient, the vehicle stays tight in a turn becoming more predictable without becoming unsettled over rough spots in the pavement.

At Pedders, we do not think the OEM guys are dumb. We think they are very bright and do a very good job of building within the constraints of the market. They have to build to suit the only driven to church on Sunday by a little old lady road feel and the Speed Racer I'm taking it to the track all while trying to meet a cabin noise level budget and a bean counter budget. We happen to have the luxury of selling premium parts at premium prices to enthusiast that love their cars. We like to think that if the engineers at GM or Ford could do what they wanted to do without budget constraints and built just for enthusiasts they would produce Pedders parts.

[bolteon593]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

If you were to remove the front fascia on a G8 you would find almost no metal structure forward of the strut towers. A Camaro is built like a submarine where every opening is like a hatch surrounded by a bulkhead. Some of this is for style, but it all doubles for strength. Remove the front fascia on a Camaro and there is steel to the front. You can see the surround of steel like a bulkhead when you open the hood, but I digress.

Underneath the car the ZETA or ZETA II sub-frame runs mounts with six bolts -- three per side. All the functional elements of the front suspension are part of the sub-frame including the sway bar. On a Mustang, the sway bar is mounted beneath the radiator, but not connected to the front sub-frame. This leaves the steering rack mounted to the sub-frame and the front sway bar connect by endlinks but not connect by sub-frame. Adding a lattice style brace to the Mustang front sub-frame ties the sway bar to the sub-frame. It doesn't sound like much, but it makes a HUGE difference in the feel and performance of the car. For the daily driver, the car jut feels like it is a better built automobile -- more solid and substantial -- and it is better built with the brace. For a performance driver, the front sub-frame just grew a foot, the sway bar becomes more efficient, the vehicle stays tight in a turn becoming more predictable without becoming unsettled over rough spots in the pavement.

At Pedders, we do not think the OEM guys are dumb. We think they are very bright and do a very good job of building within the constraints of the market. They have to build to suit the only driven to church on Sunday by a little old lady road feel and the Speed Racer I'm taking it to the track all while trying to meet a cabin noise level budget and a bean counter budget. We happen to have the luxury of selling premium parts at premium prices to enthusiast that love their cars. We like to think that if the engineers at GM or Ford could do what they wanted to do without budget constraints and built just for enthusiasts they would produce Pedders parts.

very well said words... can we sticky single posts? ;-)