[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by LT4Greg

Oh well, Chevy has ruined another track oriented Camaro!

Originally Posted by Jbanta1983

Exactly, the 1le was special in that it only came with manual..I love how the guys who like auto still use the paddle shifters, makes no sense

I'm a 'dyed in the wool' manual guy, but I'm not seeing how they are ruining anything. They are offering a potentially faster option for those that want it and they are still offering the manual. It's a win-win for all involved. For most drivers the auto will be the faster option at any track.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Chevyfan4life

Really?So you believe adding the A10 to the SS 1LE will water it down?

I have to agree with Bhobbs. Automatics necessarily distance the driver from the driving by some amount; you're at least potentially handing off some of what you used to do to the automation so that you don't have to do as much any more. Even paddle-shifting or nudging the floor lever back and forth between + and - isn't the same.

The term I might use would be "unnecessary refinement" over "watered down", but the intent is the same . . . that the 1LE will have lost something in the process.

If i had a choice of the two transmissions.I would have picked the A10 over the 6sp in a heart beat....I like my 6sp but you can not out preform these modern A10's.

It's not always about the objective performance. Knowing that it's 100% on you to extract however much performance means something if you let it. You're only kidding yourself if you let yourself get excited over an automatic being able to shift better than you can.

IF you really think its watering down the car just ask some ZL1 1LE owners with the A10.

That'd be asking for the opinions of people who actively chose the automatic in the first place. Wouldn't expect different.


Norm

[GroundhogSS]

Originally Posted by camaroJD

I wonder if we will be able to upgrade to wireless Android Auto?

Would be nice but I'll bet not.

[Msquared]

You curmudgeons are something else. Chevy's "ruined" the 1LE because the A10 will be an option? I guess so, because in 2021, if you want to buy a new 1LE, you will only be able to get it with an automatic. No matter how much you might want the manual, you will be forced (probably at gunpoint!) to get the auto. Oh...wait...no you won't:

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

option[ op-shuhn ]: the power or right of choosing.

For all you track-time purists who want the highest-performing 1LE option, the A10 is in all likelihood faster on a road course or drag strip. Some back-to-back testing I've seen bears that out. And BTW, in every high-level category of road racing where it's allowed, semi-manual (the shifting is fully automated) is always chosen because it's faster and more reliable. Every. Single. Time.

Get a grip, people! You all are worse than the Corvette guys screaming about how their favorite car has been ruined now that it's a mid-engine car.

[hotlap]

• The SS 1LE is widely recognized as a world class sports car. The A10 option can only enhance that.
• The manual equipped SS 1LE is still available - for the purists
• Automatic transmission equipped cars are faster than manual.
• No conflict with heritage. The first, gen3, 1LEs came with an automatic transmission if the optional 5.7L was specified.

I don’t see the problem.

I owned an A8 SS and loved the driving experience. The shudder issues is the only reason I sold it.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

And the old people.

Be careful. For SOME old people, maybe.

I doubt that there's very many old people who really fit into this discussion. Most old people aren't shopping for Camaros (or Mustangs) to begin with, let alone looking into the top-handling trims within those nameplates.


For the record, my wife and I were both born in the late 1940's, and neither of us wants an AT even in the "family cars".


Norm

[Zack46]

I see they deleted the rally green and garnet red tintcoat colors.
Sorry, wasn't a fan of the rally green.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

And the 1LE watering down continues.

Same thing happened the first time around with the earlier generations of the 1Le , it started back in 1996 when they made AC standard on the 1Le package . The Gen 5 1Le will be known as the last great 1Le package, simply because of how pure it was .

[LT4Greg]

Question for you Matt Miller, are you going to buy a new 2021 SS 1LE with the A10 Auto when it comes out? And for your information I’m not a curmudgeon either as I just stated my opinion on the matter! I could care less either way!

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Msquared

You curmudgeons are something else. Chevy's "ruined" the 1LE because the A10 will be an option? I guess so, because in 2021, if you want to buy a new 1LE, you will only be able to get it with an automatic. No matter how much you might want the manual, you will be forced (probably at gunpoint!) to get the auto.

The problem is that the 'AT into 1LE' door has just been opened a crack. We've seen what ATs have done to virtually all other categories of cars; it'd be to have our heads in the sand to think that the SS 1LE is guaranteed to escape a similar fate.

For all you track-time purists who want the highest-performing 1LE option, the A10 is in all likelihood faster on a road course or drag strip. Some back-to-back testing I've seen bears that out. And BTW, in every high-level category of road racing where it's allowed, semi-manual (the shifting is fully automated) is always chosen because it's faster and more reliable. Every. Single. Time.

Being serious enough to approach the pointy end of time trialing or wheel to wheel racing is one thing . . . yeah, I'd probably switch to some sort of DSG if I was into either of those activities where it was permitted and that's what it was going to take to win. But it wouldn't be because I'd want to go that way out of full free choice.

HPDE - the sort of road course driving that's far more accessible to most of us - isn't about automated shifting excellence or how good somebody else's computer programming skills might be.


Norm

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

The problem is that the 'AT into 1LE' door has just been opened a crack. We've seen what ATs have done to virtually all other categories of cars; it'd be to have our heads in the sand to think that the SS 1LE is guaranteed to escape a similar fate.

Being serious enough to approach the pointy end of time trialing or wheel to wheel racing is one thing . . . yeah, I'd probably switch to some sort of DSG if I was into either of those activities where it was permitted and that's what it was going to take to win. But it wouldn't be because I'd want to go that way out of full free choice.

HPDE - the sort of road course driving that's far more accessible to most of us - isn't about automated shifting excellence and how good somebody else's computer programming might be.
Norm

I don’t think you’ve been keeping up on current events. This is the greatest and last 1LE ...at least as we’ve known them.

Al O left the Camaro team. Gen7 delayed. All to shift focus to BEV.

[RobertAvitia]

[Norm Peterson]

Rather than make a late edit . . .

seeing the potential downside of introducing the AT into one of the most heavily track-focused Camaro trims is a lot easier when you've watched ATs take over in virtually every other market segment and had to jump ship in order to avoid an AT.

Anybody who has been at least OK with automatics in their other vehicles isn't going to see this in quite the same way.


Norm

[Balzdeep]

Having options for the consumer in the end is always a good thing.