[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

Quantity does not always equal profitability. For all the reasons we’ve been hearing for years, the 6th generation Camaro is dead - and will stay dead.

From Cadillac: “CT5’s importance in Cadillac’s portfolio cannot be overstated,” said John Roth, vice president, Global Cadillac. “Globally, CT5 is having its best sales year, ever…”

Well, you've certainly got it all figured out, don't you?

[genxer]

The CT4s & CT5s sold in China are built in Shanghai.
https://cadillacsociety.com/cadillac...c-china-plant/

Why would Lansing need to work OT? Sounds dumb to me.

[ember1205]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Im alittle lost. If Jan 2024 is the end of Camaro production, what is this talk about a limited edition 2025 Camaro Z28? How is that possible when Jan is in the beginning of 2024?

There is no "talk"... it's one bogus article on the internet that keeps getting re-shared.

[50MileSmile]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

Well, you've certainly got it all figured out, don't you?

Whether or not you like the direction GM is going, the company has been very obvious about where it’s headed. Kill the Camaro due to lack of sales. Build EVs because the federal government says so. Increase international sales (especially China). Pay Mary enough so she can buy another leather jacket.

What’s always been a little baffling is the way GM treats its customers (the dealers) and the dealers’ customers (the final purchaser of their vehicles.)

[Hops]

The 2025 CT5 refresh is surprising to me. I was under the impression the Lansing plant was slated for EV's soon, and assumed the CT4/5 would have an early death. Is the CT4 following CT5's lead?

It's really like 1 in a million, but i still can't help but think that the alpha II bones in Lansing will find their way into a 7th gen ICE Camaro.... i'm telling myself there's a chance.... LOL

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Hops

The 2025 CT5 refresh is surprising to me. I was under the impression the Lansing plant was slated for EV's soon, and assumed the CT4/5 would have an early death. Is the CT4 following CT5's lead?

It's really like 1 in a million, but i still can't help but think that the alpha II bones in Lansing will find their way into a 7th gen ICE Camaro.... i'm telling myself there's a chance.... LOL

[CTRifecta]

Now that I realize the ct4 and CT5 are built in Lansing, similar to the Camaro, it explains how and why the build quality of the Camaro is so decent. Material choices and ergonomics aside, 6th gen Camaros seem pretty solidly built.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by olrocker

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[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by olrocker

So we all know that January of 2024 is going to be the end of Camaro production.

If that is the case, I have a question for General Motors....... why is the Cadillac CT5 going into 2025 then?

I just received an update from the Cadillac website that the UPDATED 2025 CT5 will include the one piece 33" curved LED screen dashboard similar to the Escalade.

So they're not only going to continue CT5 production, it's getting a very expensive, serious update. For model year 2025, which means they still need to go through the full 2024 model year production.

Keep in mind this is the exact same chassis the Camaro is built on. This is also the exact same division Queen Mary wants to convert to full electric first, to lead the way to GM's full electric conversion.

It really feels like she's just pi--ing on our heads but just telling us it's raining.

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Not to be that guy, but CT5's Alpha II platform is fairly distinct from Camaro's Alpha I platform. Not only is the platform itself different but the entirety of the electronics architecture is also different, Global A vs Global B.

You saved me from being that guy. I haven’t been in the plant for years, so I’m not certain how connected the production cells are for the two programs.

Plus, CT4 and CT5 are both still built in China for China, so the development dollars are thinned out across both regions. FWIW, CT5 sales are up 22% year over year, so there’s a bit of incentive there.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Im alittle lost. If Jan 2024 is the end of Camaro production, what is this talk about a limited edition 2025 Camaro Z28? How is that possible when Jan is in the beginning of 2024?

Originally Posted by Iconic

Chevy hasn't announced anything about a 2025 Camaro. That is car and driver creating clickbait.

Question asked and answered.

[Efi69Cam]

Looks like camaro outsells the ct5 at least in 2022

CT5
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/01...%2C896%20units.


Camaro
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/01...-results-2022/

I’m guessing our friends in DC have more to do with gm’s decision to end the camaro than sales numbers. My guess it’s all about fleet mpg and since Cadillac is a halo brand whatever fleet mpg credits are available go to them.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Efi69Cam

Looks like camaro outsells the ct5 at least in 2022

CT5
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/01...%2C896%20units.


Camaro
https://gmauthority.com/blog/2023/01...-results-2022/

I’m guessing our friends in DC have more to do with gm’s decision to end the camaro than sales numbers. My guess it’s all about fleet mpg and since Cadillac is a halo brand whatever fleet mpg credits are available go to them.

That’s in the US. In China GM sells about 50,000 CT5 per year. Plus a slightly lesser number of CT4. They are built in China for sale in China, but the product development costs for US and Chinese built cars combined presents a much better economy of scale than Camaro.

[len125]

why cant chevy make a 7th generation camaro? GM doesnt "HAVE" to be full electric until 2035? thats 12 years? cant they try? fix the belt line, create just a little more trunk and back seat space, add some more colors, etc...cant they just try? i mean take a little inspiration from the 5th and 6th and 2nd generation camaro and go for it where are the engineers? they have billions in reserve and they know it...no matter what you read about the industry and the UAW GM has golden parachutes forever.......I dont get the failure attitude...sad...thats my two cents...

[MyNameIs]

GM in the hands of hard core liberals now. They will go along with the agenda no matter how stupid. Lets see China will be building a Battery plant near Detroit. The last I heard China was the country trying to destroy us and our economy.