FDA Approved Pfizer for 16+ [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[Rafael205]

I haven't been on the forums in a while, but can't believe this political crap is on here too.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Rafael205

I haven't been on the forums in a while, but can't believe this political crap is on here too.

Well since you are here

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

2x as many people died from heart disease than from Covid in 2020.

Why aren't you complaining about the fat people eating Twinkies and not exercising because they are burdening the healthcare system way more than any other group?

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

Heart disease can be hereditary. But I'd be happy to include smokers in that mix.

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by Rafael205

I haven't been on the forums in a while, but can't believe this political crap is on here too.

Covid and vaccines are political? Who knew?

Has anyone considered that after receiving vaccines with 'zero' side effects that you were given a placebo? Med pro family members have suggested this is certainly going on and the vaccinated are part of a blind placebo study - the kind of study that should have been done to greater extent before releasing it to the world. They are numbered and tracked. Someone knows exactly what was given.

And speaking of releasing to the world, that should have been done AFTER a pandemic, not during. Now the actively spreading virus (by both vaxxed and unvaxxed) gets to "play on the playground" of the vaccinated and learn how to end-around the vaccine. Much like Delta has proven. We're likely to be headed for a super-mutant that kills 1 in 3 on the planet. Largely thanks to the growing, ineffective vaccines.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

Covid and vaccines are political? Who knew?

Has anyone considered that after receiving vaccines with 'zero' side effects that you were given a placebo? Med pro family members have suggested this is certainly going on and the vaccinated are part of a blind placebo study - the kind of study that should have been done to greater extent before releasing it to the world. They are numbered and tracked. Someone knows exactly what was given.

And speaking of releasing to the world, that should have been done AFTER a pandemic, not during. Now the actively spreading virus (by both vaxxed and unvaxxed) gets to "play on the playground" of the vaccinated and learn how to end-around the vaccine. Much like Delta has proven. We're likely to be headed for a super-mutant that kills 1 in 3 on the planet. Largely thanks to the growing, ineffective vaccines.

Read the article in post 30. I have no real opinion but it is pretty interesting to get his view point.

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

Read the article in post 30. I have no real opinion but it is pretty interesting to get his view point.

Good article. It really paints a pretty dire picture and alludes to my notion of a monster mutant that renders vaccines useless. But, it also has an incredible fear element that would have you wondering how mankind ever survived ANY pandemic. And how I and others made it through 5 decades or more and counting. Yet somehow, I did and we do.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Silver14

Thank you for posting the definition showing they are separate words with separate meanings and usages. Interesting approach to make a semantic argument then provide evidence that undermines it...
An item can be regulated by the FDA and not have FDA Approval.

I've made my point. No need to drag it out any further by splitting hairs and having hurt feelings.

Originally Posted by Silver14

I assume there would be more complaints if obesity, hypertension, high cholesterol, etc., were as contagious as COVID.

Obesity, hypertension, and high cholesterol are all preventable with exercise, proper diet and medication.

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

Heart disease can be hereditary. But I'd be happy to include smokers in that mix.

Hereditary.... maybe. Let's assume they can't exercise and eat properly to ward it off, or limit its effects.

Smoking? 100% preventable.

I'll tell you what.... Let's be absurd...

I'll spot you 50% of the heart related deaths as being "hereditary". That would mean an equal amount of Covid deaths and preventable heart disease deaths.

I don't understand why the burden on insurance and the healthcare system is somehow acceptable for one, but not the other?

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

And speaking of releasing to the world, that should have been done AFTER a pandemic, not during. Now the actively spreading virus (by both vaxxed and unvaxxed) gets to "play on the playground" of the vaccinated and learn how to end-around the vaccine. Much like Delta has proven. We're likely to be headed for a super-mutant that kills 1 in 3 on the planet. Largely thanks to the growing, ineffective vaccines.

I think/hope you're wrong on this. I am betting that it will be more like the flu.
80% have flu like symptoms and are fine. 18% seem to need some sort of medical treatment to be cured.

The variants are acting the same way. What I think will happen is, like the flu, the "vaccine" will have to be updated yearly to ward off (or attempt to ward off) the most active strain for that year.

[KenKat]

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

Has anyone considered that after receiving vaccines with 'zero' side effects that you were given a placebo? Med pro family members have suggested this is certainly going on and the vaccinated are part of a blind placebo study - the kind of study that should have been done to greater extent before releasing it to the world. They are numbered and tracked. Someone knows exactly what was given.

I mean anything is possible but this sounds like conspiracy talk to me. This would be a lawsuit to end all lawsuits and jail time if it ever got out that this was happening. If there was real substance to something like this, it will come out. I know some people think there’s a massive government - corporate - media operation to control all this, but I don’t buy it. People can’t keep secrets. Who knows tho, maybe I’m a chump.

Originally Posted by Moto-Mojo

And speaking of releasing to the world, that should have been done AFTER a pandemic, not during. Now the actively spreading virus (by both vaxxed and unvaxxed) gets to "play on the playground" of the vaccinated and learn how to end-around the vaccine. Much like Delta has proven. We're likely to be headed for a super-mutant that kills 1 in 3 on the planet. Largely thanks to the growing, ineffective vaccines.

Viruses don’t learn. They just randomly mutate when an error occurs in copying itself. A mutation may infect a vaccinated person, but it will certainly then also infect an unvaccinated person - i.e. all unvaccinated people will be infected by a mutation but only some vaccinated people will be. By lowering the total number of infections, you lower the total number of mutations. In short, vaccinations don’t create the possibility of super-mutants; infected people do that.

p.s., just tying the post 30 article in, Covid is definitely here to stay in some form; just like the flu it is something we will have to deal with going forward just because the way it mutates can bypass our immune response. Contrast this with something like measles which because of the way it infects the body, mutations either still looks likes measles to our immune system or the mutation prevents the virus from successfully infecting the body.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

Obesity, hypertension, and high cholesterol are all preventable with exercise, proper diet and medication.

That does not make them communicable diseases.

[strykerg8gt]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

I've made my point. No need to drag it out any further by splitting hairs and having hurt feelings.



Obesity, hypertension, and high cholesterol are all preventable with exercise, proper diet and medication.



Hereditary.... maybe. Let's assume they can't exercise and eat properly to ward it off, or limit its effects.

Smoking? 100% preventable.

I'll tell you what.... Let's be absurd...

I'll spot you 50% of the heart related deaths as being "hereditary". That would mean an equal amount of Covid deaths and preventable heart disease deaths.

I don't understand why the burden on insurance and the healthcare system is somehow acceptable for one, but not the other?

I'm down for that. If you choose to do something that puts you at risk for certain illnesses that could otherwise be prevented then sure. I'm all about protecting people that have no control over their medical conditions, but if you knowingly caused it because you didn't take precautions or were knowingly reckless then yes, it should be on your dime. Include not wearing seat belts while driving or a helmet while riding. I'm tired of covering stupidity.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by strykerg8gt

I'm down for that. If you choose to do something that puts you at risk for certain illnesses that could otherwise be prevented then sure. I'm all about protecting people that have no control over their medical conditions, but if you knowingly caused it because you didn't take precautions or were knowingly reckless then yes, it should be on your dime. Include not wearing seat belts while driving or a helmet while riding. I'm tired of covering stupidity.

A lot of companies have started charging smokers.

[Moto-Mojo]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

I think/hope you're wrong on this. I am betting that it will be more like the flu.
80% have flu like symptoms and are fine. 18% seem to need some sort of medical treatment to be cured.

The variants are acting the same way. What I think will happen is, like the flu, the "vaccine" will have to be updated yearly to ward off (or attempt to ward off) the most active strain for that year.

My other fear is, since it’s now pretty widely accepted that this was created in a lab...somewhere, (KenKat, that too was a full blown, get you canceled for merely suggesting it, conspiracy theory too, until it no longer wasn’t) that this man made pathogen will not behave like a natural one. As in, it doesn’t seem to be mutating LESS contagious and deadly liked they had hoped.

[ZED SLED]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

A lot of companies have started charging smokers.

That makes it tough here in NC where the state vegetable is the tobacco plant