03-01-2024, 02:17 PM | #1723 |
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"They mandate 35% of new cars sold must be electric or plug-in hybrid by 2026. That proportion will rise to 68% by 2030 and 100% by 2035."
...but again, nobody is MAKING you buy an EV! keep telling yourself that. I don't know what else you will be able to buy when your legacy ICE vehicle finally throws a rod, but NOBODY will force you to drive something. You can always walk, or ride high speed rail from San Diego to San Francisco, or whatever.... Stop spreading lies. |
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From that point on my position is that the Federal Government has not mandated anything. Much like the governor of California, the president of the United States is executive branch and their saying they would like to see 50% EV by 2030 does not make it law. Congress would have to do that. If that happens I’ll really have to start wondering just what reality we are living in. It is simply not actionable and thus not a mandate. So, unless you live in California or one of the other 11 states that follow CARB rules, nobody’s telling you that you have to buy anything. And quite frankly, by 2035 reality will kick in and the “ban” will be modified. And in California and the other states, buy what you want until 2035. Then you’ll have to buy in an adjacent state or buy a gently used vehicle (the ban is only for NEW vehicles). Again, at least until the law changes.
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Words matter with regard to the law, and as such, there is no mandate to purchase an EV. Even as these pipe-dreams are written, there's still nothing that prohibits the people of California from owning or operating an ICV, or even buying one out of state, or buying certain kinds of ICV's in state, let alone requiring them to own an EV.
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That's hilarious. Maybe they'll serve bugs as a snack on the bus.
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Not at first, more likely they'll start ginning up fear about cow farts producing methane or nitrogen emissions and go after farmers in places like the Netherlands with crazy environmental regulations. Gradually the price of proteins like beef, chicken, and pork will become less affordable and harder to find. Then we'll start to see campaigns promoting "cricket flour" to convince us how healthy, affordable, and sustainable bug eating is. They won't make us eat the bugs, or outlaw other meats, just restrict their production and ensure they are only affordable to the wealthy and WEF members at Davos that fly on solar powered private jets. Eliminating alternatives is ultimately the same as forcing through coercion. I know you guys must realize this, but want to cling to a technicality so you can act as if this EV "revolution" is taking the world by storm with consumer demand. If you take away consumers other choices, even gradually, eventually you'll force them to comply with your agendas. |
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Everyone thinking "just go across state lines and buy" needs to know it won't be just that easy. From what I can find, 17 states currently has legislation passed that bans new ICE's in 2035. Nine states currently has legislation in the states House or Senate that bans new ICE's in 2035. Two states has passed legislation that bans ICE's but has not determined a year yet. That's 28 states that currently has banned or is getting ready to ban new ICE's and more are being added to the list every year. By the time the ban goes into effect, it won't be as simple as "go across the state line". It'll be more like "drive 5-6 states away".
I agree with Martin above that the 2035 timeline is unrealistic and will eventually be pushed back but it is still an issue. Though in positive news North Carolina recently passed an amendment that strictly prohibits the state from ever banning the sale of new ICE's and that for such a ban to go in place, it must come from the federal level. |
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One has to wonder why you’re not quoting actual proposed legislation, but rather spin that discusses extremist groups. Probably to support a narrative that creates FUD about the situation.
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Well thank goodness they aren't in any positions of power or influence, then. Otherwise we might be in real jeopardy of them gradually accomplishing the goals of their agenda through fear and regulation. |
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This. There are extremist groups and media “sources” on both sides of the discussion. I equal opportunity ignore both sets of extremist.
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Hard to use the term “fringe group” with people of that much wealth and power.
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Seems to me that a lot of this thread has turned into “this random group of environmental extremists said <blah blah blah> and that is proof that they [whoever THEY are] are gonna ban our cars. That’s a huge stretch.
There is no doubt that people who are looking to forward an all electric car industry are listening to people who are on the environmental extremes. No arguments there. But expertise in environmental issues does not equate to expertise in automotive issues. Automotive decision makers do not exclusively listen to environmental extremists in making decisions and developing plans. They hear from a broad spectrum of environmental experts, measure the information and form their own opinions and make plans and decisions accordingly. Because some guy attends Davos and comes away with an opinion that cars are bad or that we need to develop ways to keep cows from farting doesn’t mean that the CEOs and Boards of every major automaker will take that hook line and sinker and put all their money on EVs. The fact that many CEOs and Boards ARE moving fast toward EVs is an indication that they are listening to a broad spectrum of inputs on a number of issues and coming up with similar views of where the industry is headed. Not a big conspiracy. Simply similar understanding of a broad spectrum of inputs. Prime example…about 10-15 years ago there was a bunch of noise that autonomous vehicles were gonna take over and people would be banned from driving. Those discussions were almost as fun as this thread. How’s that going? It’s been pretty much crickets for the past 3 - 5 years. Did all those “THEYs” just change their minds? Or did reality kick in? I vote reality kicked in.
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