[RideWithDanger]

Originally Posted by D.O.M.D1

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...8qZhDtGVlumTeo

hopefully this can clarify a few rumors on the future of camauro, or not, who cares at this point.

I find it funny that it calls itself "fact checking" and then just speculates anyway. This is no more helpful than any other article making guesses from GMs official press release.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by D.O.M.D1

https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/...8qZhDtGVlumTeo

hopefully this can clarify a few rumors on the future of camauro, or not, who cares at this point.

Originally Posted by RideWithDanger

I find it funny that it calls itself "fact checking" and then just speculates anyway. This is no more helpful than any other article making guesses from GMs official press release.

RideWithDanger, you are spot on. More speculation than fact-checking…but…they’re not far off of the information I’ve seen so far. The only thing I’d push back on is no Camaro sedan. I doubt that page of the script has been written yet. There will be a Mustang EV sedan. There will be a Dodge EV sedan. Chevrolet may have to have a Camaro EV sedan to compete within the segment and price range. The idea that because there’s a Corvette EV sedan that’s proof there won’t be a Camaro sedan is like saying because there is a CT4 there won’t be a Malibu.

[XXX ZL1]

I hope its minimal powertrain changes as the new GM global b system isn’t tunable. The 22 refresh gm trucks received the global b setup with the new interior and now will be a nightmare to have tuned if ever. The CT5 blackwing has same system and is why no one is tuning them. Give us a unique color, some carbon fiber, and ride off into the sunset.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by XXX ZL1

I hope its minimal powertrain changes as the new GM global b system isn’t tunable. The 22 refresh gm trucks received the global b setup with the new interior and now will be a nightmare to have tuned if ever. The CT5 blackwing has same system and is why no one is tuning them. Give us a unique color, some carbon fiber, and ride off into the sunset.

Minimal powertrain changes if any. You are correct about the Global A vs Global B setups. Unless things have changed a lot since I left in 2017, changing electrical architectures requires a vehicle major upgrade. That is absolutely not gonna happen on a last model year UNLESS it is leading to a follow on major and we know that this one is not.

What I am pretty sure is possible and would like to see happen would be a higher capacity supercharger for ZL1. LT4 was developed for C7 Z06 with usage extended to ZL1. The supercharger size was limited to what would fit under the C7 hood without a vision impairing hood bulge. ZL1 could always have fit a larger supercharger, but for the sake of parts commonality that was a big no. Don’t have to worry about C7 anymore and many of you already know how simple it is to go to a larger SC. That would be a nice send off.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by 90503

FWIW The topic and announcement of the Collector's Edition Camaro also included the subject of what comes next for Camaro. Pretty much a sure thing it will be an EV Camaro, I would think.

Discussing EVs is IMO not out of the question, rather it's basically the whole reason the 6thGen Camaro is ending in January of 2024. Wishing it wasn't so doesn't require having no discussions about EVs and what's next

for Camaro. My $.02.

I don't think EV's should be totally off the table, but the big picture EV talk about politics, their practicality or how fast they accelerate... etc is just totally nauseating. What really matters to me, is will an EV satisfy the sensory experience enjoyed with a manual V8 naturally aspirated RWD coupe. And it's not just the sound, but the level of engagement the car connects to my senses, and my physical inputs. I think you can only answer that question with a lot of seat time in an EV driven in the environment you enjoy the Camaro, thus there are few people that can really answer the question ( i know there's a few on here with model 3's and a Camaro, I really pay attention to them!).

I currently don't think EV's will replace what i enjoy in driving the Camaro in the same way it don't think an automatic ICE transmission will ever replace what i enjoy about the manual transmission.

[XXX ZL1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Minimal powertrain changes if any. You are correct about the Global A vs Global B setups. Unless things have changed a lot since I left in 2017, changing electrical architectures requires a vehicle major upgrade. That is absolutely not gonna happen on a last model year UNLESS it is leading to a follow on major and we know that this one is not.

What I am pretty sure is possible and would like to see happen would be a higher capacity supercharger for ZL1. LT4 was developed for C7 Z06 with usage extended to ZL1. The supercharger size was limited to what would fit under the C7 hood without a vision impairing hood bulge. ZL1 could always have fit a larger supercharger, but for the sake of parts commonality that was a big no. Don’t have to worry about C7 anymore and many of you already know how simple it is to go to a larger SC. That would be a nice send off.

I’m really surprised they did the global B on the truck in a refresh as compared to when the next gen truck is built. I honestly wouldn’t think GM would spend the time and money going that far with last run model. Looking forward to seeing what the changes are though.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by XXX ZL1

I’m really surprised they did the global B on the truck in a refresh as compared to when the next gen truck is built. I honestly wouldn’t think GM would spend the time and money going that far with last run model. Looking forward to seeing what the changes are though.

They still needed to do it to remain competitive. Think of how many fullsized trucks will be built between now and 2035 at the rate of a couple hundred thousand per year. Add on top of that all the SUVs based on the same platform and electrical architecture (Tahoe, Yukon, Suburban, Escalade). At 5-digit profit margin per sale. They’ll get return on the investment in a hurry. Long before the last ICE pickup rolls off the assembly line. Especially since commercial trucks and SUVs aren’t expected to go all EV by 2035.

[Devstrike]

I think it will be a lot longer than politicians and others think it will be before we see pickups go all EV. Compared to a Gas or Diesel the towing range is abysmal. You will know when EVs start to make more of an appearance outside of the 1500 series trucks when Ford decides to bring back EV development for their Super duty trucks. I also doubt that the full size 1500/150 trucks will be all EV by 2035 as well it will take much longer.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Devstrike

I think it will be a lot longer than politicians and others think it will be before we see pickups go all EV. Compared to a Gas or Diesel the towing range is abysmal. You will know when EVs start to make more of an appearance outside of the 1500 series trucks when Ford decides to bring back EV development for their Super duty trucks. I also doubt that the full size 1500/150 trucks will be all EV by 2035 as well it will take much longer.

I expect that the 1500 / 150 will likely by all electric by 2035, but the 2500 - 5500 and the 250 - 650 will still be ICE. There will be some commercial trucks that are EV. I actually spend a good bit of time talking with some of the companies that will be making them. For the most part we’re talking chassis cabs and other incomplete trucks that will be built up into box trucks and other specialty commercial vehicles. But there will still be 2500 / 250 series that private owners are likely to buy for towing boats, car trailers, lawn equipment, etc.

[#8ZL1Man]

Originally Posted by Hops

Will an EV satisfy the sensory experience i passionately enjoy and with my manual V8 naturally aspirated RWD coupe. And it's not just the sound, but the level of engagement the car connects to my senses, and my physical inputs.

No, it will not.

Just think of slot cars with their electric motors, if you're old enough to remember those. Electric = strong, silent torque, with a limited power supply. There is no mystery. Heavy, crappy handling, but great in a straight line, until the battery power runs out. Yes, potentially faster, but again, in a straight line. If somebody ever says "but I saw a fast Tesla on a Track..." Just ask, "For how many laps before it needed to pit, and then how much time to pit (to recharge)?"

That's the driving experience. Period. Please, no more silly talk about "What will it be like?" (Seems like there are OEM ambassadors in social media trying to talk up EVs.)

[Devstrike]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

I expect that the 1500 / 150 will likely by all electric by 2035, but the 2500 - 5500 and the 250 - 650 will still be ICE. There will be some commercial trucks that are EV. I actually spend a good bit of time talking with some of the companies that will be making them. For the most part we’re talking chassis cabs and other incomplete trucks that will be built up into box trucks and other specialty commercial vehicles. But there will still be 2500 / 250 series that private owners are likely to buy for towing boats, car trailers, lawn equipment, etc.

I remain skeptical for the 1500/150 trucks not that the forum pages or social media is good gauge to base things off of but the truck forums regardless of brand seems to be an echo chamber of these forums when it comes to EVs even the Toyota Tundra forums and it will happen in any thread if the topic pops up. The only difference is that customer base has a decent ground to stand on if the majority of the truck buyers are like this. Someone said before though the customer dictates what is made and sold. Where the performance car community is small enough the Pickup truck market is not small at all. If I was in an advising position I would advice the Big 3 to tread lightly. While I have not been as high up in the Auto industry as you have one thing I get to learn about even as a technician is the customer base in general. If they win them over to EVs then the road is paved for it to happen. My prediction is that ICE will remain in the 150/1500 series trucks but alongside plenty of EV versions. 1500 owners from what I have seen have been towing what people would have considered 2500 territory in the 90s.

I have been more frequently lurking in the truck forums researching the next vehicle wife and I will buy since we both need a truck and I like the idea of trailering the Camaro instead of driving it. So I have been reading many thoughts and opinions lately on the subject. Even though 2035 is 12 years away I don't think its long enough to change peoples outlook entirely yet but as said the money of the customer will decide.

EDIT: This article is a good one on the subject and why I believe pickup trucks should be treated differently than a sedan or a Camaro and why I believe that exceptions will be made to where 1500s/150s will be ICE as well as Electric past 2035. https://pickuptrucktalk.com/2022/07/...ream-adoption/

[SS_Don]

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[jamala00]

Originally Posted by SS_Don

This thread is so far

I said the same thing just a few pages ago.

[NYTMARE23]

Originally Posted by jamala00

I said the same thing just a few pages ago.

Yes, the EV lovers just HAVE to make their presence known in most of the threads here for some unknown reason.