[Aragorn]

Cool review.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wCPh27-88Pw

[Rayvan]

1LE is chasing the PP1/2 Mustang? That's funny!

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by Rayvan

1LE is chasing the PP1/2 Mustang? That's funny!

Right, The other way around. I wonder if we’ll ever see SSLE vs Mach1.

[Chris C 1SS 1LE]

Liked at about 5:30 talking about how comfortable the seats are. Drove mine from Tucson to Brooks, GA, in two days. Sweet baby Jesus...

Knew what I was getting into on that drive, sure, but my other choices just weren't acceptable.

[bjbonentte]

They are mustang guys reviewing a camaro. Of course they are going to have bias.

[cdrptrks]

Thanks for posting! I enjoy watching different people's reactions to the SS 1LE.

Originally Posted by Aragorn

Right, The other way around. I wonder if we’ll ever see SSLE vs Mach1.

Randy Pobst already did that comparison at Atlanta Motorsports Park:

1:28.6 Mach 1 stock, like new, automatic transmission, traction/stability control off
1:29.0 SS 1LE 42k miles, manual transmission, likely on aftermarket low dust street brake pads and/or original DOT3 brake fluid, questionable track alignment just applied right before the review, apparently didn't actually have traction and/or stability control fully disabled since he noticed intervention

Both on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires but the Camaro's were a spare set Randy had lying around in the "same size as the Mach 1" but 20" which means 305/30 front and 315/30 rear (too wide for the stock wheels). The Camaro had aftermarket wheels that may have been the appropriate width for those tires but I didn't recognize the wheel design so they are likely cast and heavier than the stock forged wheels, negatively impacting acceleration somewhat. Plus if the tire sizes were actually different than stock, traction/stability control could have been negatively impacted especially for track use.

Lap times are mentioned starting at 16 minutes 14 seconds:

[cdrptrks]

Originally Posted by Rayvan

1LE is chasing the PP1/2 Mustang? That's funny!

Their pace may be close for a few laps but Ford admits the Mustang GT PP2 is not fully track capable and Road and Track recommends buying the GT350R or SS 1LE instead for track days within their PP2 review. I met a PP2 owner who was cooling his diff with a blower between 20 minute sessions to try to get more laps in before overheating!

"the Mustang was keen to communicate that it needed a break, flashing an axle-temp warning after a handful of laps. Unlike the GT350, the PP2 doesn’t have differential- or transmission-oil coolers to allow for extended track time. Why weren’t they added?"

"In the end, we didn’t want to go that full track capability." said Tom Barnes, Mustang’s vehicle engineering manager.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...ck-two-review/

Ford also has a major warranty disclaimer regarding HPDE use:

"Subjecting your vehicle to dedicated road course use even with these proposed precautions may render repairs non-reimbursable under the warranty."

https://www.fordservicecontent.com/F...gEnabled=False

On the other hand, Camaro chief engineer Al Oppenheiser is on record saying that the Camaro SS & SS 1LE are covered under the warranty for HPDE use if they are not modified:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a1...o-ss-grenaded/

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by cdrptrks

Thanks for posting! I enjoy watching different people's reactions to the SS 1LE.


Randy Pobst already did that comparison at Atlanta Motorsports Park:

1:28.6 Mach 1 stock, like new, automatic transmission, traction/stability control off
1:29.0 SS 1LE 42k miles, manual transmission, likely on aftermarket low dust street brake pads and/or original DOT3 brake fluid, questionable track alignment just applied right before the review, apparently didn't actually have traction and/or stability control fully disabled since he noticed intervention

Both on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires but the Camaro's were a spare set Randy had lying around in the "same size as the Mach 1" but 20" which means 305/30 front and 315/30 rear (too wide for the stock wheels). The Camaro had aftermarket wheels that may have been the appropriate width for those tires but I didn't recognize the wheel design so they are likely cast and heavier than the stock forged wheels, negatively impacting acceleration somewhat. Plus if the tire sizes were actually different than stock, traction/stability control could have been negatively impacted especially for track use.

Lap times are mentioned starting at 16 minutes 14 seconds:

I remember that one, thanks for the post. If I remember correctly the Camaros brakes were jacked up though.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Here we all know that the real adversaries of the Camaro SS1LE would be the Shelby GT350 & R, and the newer Mach l. The PP1 & PP2 aren't rivals because of their rear axle overheating and its poor shifter design

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by cdrptrks

Thanks for posting! I enjoy watching different people's reactions to the SS 1LE.


Randy Pobst already did that comparison at Atlanta Motorsports Park:

1:28.6 Mach 1 stock, like new, automatic transmission, traction/stability control off
1:29.0 SS 1LE 42k miles, manual transmission, likely on aftermarket low dust street brake pads and/or original DOT3 brake fluid, questionable track alignment just applied right before the review, apparently didn't actually have traction and/or stability control fully disabled since he noticed intervention

Both on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires but the Camaro's were a spare set Randy had lying around in the "same size as the Mach 1" but 20" which means 305/30 front and 315/30 rear (too wide for the stock wheels). The Camaro had aftermarket wheels that may have been the appropriate width for those tires but I didn't recognize the wheel design so they are likely cast and heavier than the stock forged wheels, negatively impacting acceleration somewhat. Plus if the tire sizes were actually different than stock, traction/stability control could have been negatively impacted especially for track use.

Lap times are mentioned starting at 16 minutes 14 seconds:

Yes I was surprised, I considered it a very bad review choice by Randy, he loves 1LEs and owns one, I don't understand why he didn't brought to the fight a stock SS1LE that was newer, not that sample with the wrong tires sizes, bad brakes and bad alignment. That H2H was a waste of time and not valid.

[N Camarolina]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

Yes I was surprised, I considered it a very bad review choice by Randy, he loves 1LEs and owns one, I don't understand why he didn't brought to the fight a stock SS1LE that was newer, not that sample with the wrong tires sizes, bad brakes and bad alignment. That H2H was a waste of time and not valid.

Probably because he did the review independent of the magazine. Therefore had to have someone donate their 1lE and this is what he could find on short notice. Ford isn't (apparently) letting magazines test the Mach 1 in a HTH (or at least against the 1LE), so when his friend offered one for testing he had to jump on the opportunity, and find a 1LE on short notice.

[BruceWayne1LE]

Didn’t the newer Mach 1 just run Nurburgring at 7:50~…. It’s not even remotely close to the Gen5 Z28…

[BruceWayne1LE]

7:58……

[5.M0NSTER]

Originally Posted by BruceWayne1LE

7:58……

Yeah, that's not great at all. I ran a BTG time of 7:52 in a '17 BMW M2 6MT. My optimal time was 7:47 as projected by Garmin Catalyst based on my actual best times in each sector. That means: 8:12-8:17 complete lap time.

7:58 is not very impressive with a professional driver behind the wheel. Here is the actual lap the Mach 1 did. Strange thing is he had the exact same top speed at the end of the big straightaway as my 365hp M2, 162mph. I was expecting more from a 480hp car. This model didn't have the performance aero pack though, and on the Ring that would make a big difference.