[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by JKSully

Well technically, I meant mine were less expensive than cars - I was thinking vintage collector guitars would be outside of it, wasn't thinking of true professional grade equipment. Even my Epi LP costs more than some beaters, though

I hear ya. My Alembics were acquired 20 years ago. Expensive then, but about 20% the price of a new one today. The two on the ends. I sold the one in the middle about 15 years ago. Still kicking myself for that.

[MichaelG]

Haven’t been on this forum for a few weeks.

Saw this thread and thought it might be a fun read. Ugh! An old ugly cheap Mustang favored over a Camaro.

Is the end of the Camaro really GMs execs fault?

[Nilly Welson]

Originally Posted by mungodrums

I am trying to decide between these two cars. I keep going back and forth. What I don't like about the Boss 302 and the supposedly crappy T-82 Getrag manual trans. What I don't like about the Camaro V6 1LE is the somewhat not so great visibility and not as "special" as the the Boss. My understanding is that all things being equal that the alpha chassis in the 6th. gen Camaros is superior to the one used in the Mustang. What would you guys choose? I find these two to be rougly around $31,000. Mostly street with maybe some beginner hpde. ger.

The Camaro 1LE will handle better. The 302 will be faster.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by MichaelG

Is the end of the Camaro really GMs execs fault?

Well, yes and no. Part of it is the change in what car buyers want. I hate to make general statements but I will here: Younger men and women for that matter are not into cars like we were. Young men want trucks, even if they'll never use the "truck" part of it. No idea why or what the attraction is. Or, others are very "green" leaning and cars are only a tool or an appliance in their lives like a washing machine or toaster. They dont view driving as a hobby or sport per se. That hurts sales and isnt GMs fault. The "track day" or even basic sports car driver are becoming less common. Very sad and tragic but seems to be true.

The execs though are to partially blame for not marketing the Camaro properly to its core buyers or potential buyers. Ford and Dodge are doing that better. The styling is great on the newer Camaros, IMO, and the engine options & configs are also welcomed and make the car more attainable to more people. Thats all good and they got that right. But wheres the excitement for the car? Where are the ads? Wheres the marketing for it?

[s346k]

Originally Posted by MichaelG

Is the end of the Camaro really GMs execs fault?

perhaps it is. they let the camaro team release a car that's too school for cool. the camaro is an awesome driver's car. but let's face it, it's sucks at everything else.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by s346k

perhaps it is. they let the camaro team release a car that's too school for cool. the camaro is an awesome driver's car. but let's face it, it's sucks at everything else.

Well, i take my kids to school in mine, and let me tell you from their classmates reactions, elementary kids love Camaro , it's definitely cool at school, just wish the kids could influence their parents to buy one...

[s346k]

Originally Posted by Hops

Well, i take my kids to school in mine, and let me tell you from their classmates reactions, elementary kids love Camaro , it's definitely cool at school, just wish the kids could influence their parents to buy one...

yeah i take my daughter to school occasionally and her 8th grade friends love mine. a couple of them actually knew it was a camaro on sight.

one of the other parents drives a no hood honda to school lol

[Camaro fanboy]

Originally Posted by Nilly Welson

The Camaro 1LE will handle better. The 302 will be faster.

yes but you wont want to go fast due to terrible handling and road holding.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by s346k

the camaro is an awesome driver's car. but let's face it, it's sucks at everything else.

What else is there though when discussing performance cars? I dont get it.....?
If it excels at its main purpose then thats a win to me.

[s346k]

Originally Posted by s2mikey

What else is there though when discussing performance cars? I dont get it.....?
If it excels at its main purpose then thats a win to me.

simply referring to sales of the camaro and my opinion why it didn't sell. i agree, i think it's a win. i bought one 3 years ago and don't plan on selling it.

[Seniorrs]

.I think the boss would be little faster the first few laps on a road course.Then heat would slow it down.The v6 would need premium fuel to do it's best and for it's health.

[s2mikey]

Originally Posted by s346k

simply referring to sales of the camaro and my opinion why it didn't sell. i agree, i think it's a win. i bought one 3 years ago and don't plan on selling it.

Got it - Cool!

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by Seniorrs

.I think the boss would be little faster the first few laps on a road course.Then heat would slow it down.The v6 would need premium fuel to do it's best and for it's health.

The BOSS never had a bad reputation for overheating

[Bwaahhh]

A lot of misinformation on page 6. The Boss DOES NOT handle poorly and DOES NOT overheat. Come on y'all...before you bash another product - drive it. My brother had a 2013 and I am in the market for a 2012. The Boss is a PHENOMENAL car and was produced in a similar vein to the 1LE. To be a track monster...of which it is. I would take the Boss over the v6 1LE any day. The only problems were the shitty chinese made getrag mt-82. If you plan to track, the Boss needs a new clutch/MGW shifter.