FDA Approved Pfizer for 16+ [CLOSED DUE TO POLITICS]

[davidscamaro]

Had my first shot of the pfizer on may 20 and second on june 20 , both times was in the middle of shift at work. I was back to work with in a hour of leaving work to finsh my shift. Never have missed a moment of work scene, im a laybor as well that gets worked hard and i weight lift before and after work. Never been healthier in my life.

Not saying pfizer is for everyone , but take it from a guy that got two and push's his body to the limit. Thay an't that bad to get

[95 imp]

So, this article just popped up this evening about the vaccine:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/infectiou...184335144.html

"....the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 90 percent effective at preventing infections, as opposed to just disease."

If that is accurate, you naturally have an 80% chance of mild to no symptoms if you contract it, or a 90% chance of no infection if vaccinated.

Doesn't sound like a huge difference in odds. If you have other medical conditions then those odds might be drastically different.

[Bobbart]

Here in Maine Governor Mills is making the vaccine required for all health care workers. That included EMS, housekeeping, mental health workers, everything. We already have massive shortages of employees and they predict a 15-20% loss of workers. Its insane.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

If that is accurate, you naturally have an 80% chance of mild to no symptoms if you contract it, or a 90% chance of no infection if vaccinated.


Doesn't sound like a huge difference in odds. If you have other medical conditions then those odds might be drastically different.

Many get vaccinated to reduce the spread of COVID, not only mitigate potential symptoms. Early studies show heart and lung damage as a possible complication in those who had asymptomatic COVID.

What are the %s on current hospitalizations - vaccinated compared to not? COVID death % comparing vaccinated to vaccinated? Any #s on deaths caused by COVID compared to vaccine deaths?

Things to consider when one calculates their personal odds .

[FarmerFran]

I was Pfizer double jabbed in March (beginning and end of March).

Look Ma, I am a statistic!

[Silver14]

Link for those who are interested in anecdotes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

[ZED SLED]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

I was Pfizer double jabbed in March (beginning and end of March).

Look Ma, I am a statistic!

Ever since I was double jabbed by Moderna in May, the magnets on my fridge keep flying off and sticking to my arm and black helicopters follow me wherever I go.

But seriously, I don't care either way. I've never gotten a flu shot nor have I ever had the flu. My capitulation to this one is simply to avoid having to wear a face diaper. Since I'm vaxxed, I'm not required to wear one at work, even though we're told face diapers work wonders against the China flu. Probably true in that a mosquito will likely hit the wire on occasion when flying thru a chain link fence.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by ZED SLED

Ever since I was double jabbed by Moderna in May, the magnets on my fridge keep flying off and sticking to my arm and black helicopters follow me wherever I go.

But seriously, I don't care either way. I've never gotten a flu shot nor have I ever had the flu. My capitulation to this one is simply to avoid having to wear a face diaper. Since I'm vaxxed, I'm not required to wear one at work, even though we're told face diapers work wonders against the China flu. Probably true in that a mosquito will likely hit the wire on occasion when flying thru a chain link fence.

My understanding is that masks help reduce the transmission by containing fluids. Like if someone sneezes or coughs, the bodily fluids that contain the virus will be contained more than without a mask. I am not able to find data showing COVID transmission rates of droplets vs aerosols.

Accounting for droplets, your analogy may also need to include mosquitos in balloons that are larger than the openings in the chain link.

[FarmerFran]

Originally Posted by Silver14

My understanding is that masks help reduce the transmission by containing fluids. Like if someone sneezes or coughs, the bodily fluids that contain the virus will be contained more than without a mask. I am not able to find data showing COVID transmission rates of droplets vs aerosols.

Accounting for droplets, your analogy may also need to include mosquitos in balloons that can't pass through the chain link.

The "funny" thing, just about everyone I see that sneezes or coughs removes their mask when they do, people just do not understand the purpose of the masks.

For the record I hate wearing the mask, I have since last March at work, required.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by FarmerFran

The "funny" thing, just about everyone I see that sneezes or coughs removes their mask when they do, people just do not understand the purpose of the masks.

For the record I hate wearing the mask, I have since last March at work, required.

For sure not being used in the most effective manner .

[SSEssence]

Been vaccinated for 6 months with Pfizer, no side effects or any issues. I couldn't take any chances due to my 11 month old son being a NICU baby with compromised lungs. It is not a cure but added protection up to 95% so I'm going to do all I can to keep my son safe. I'll be taking the booster too when available.

[KenKat]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

So, this article just popped up this evening about the vaccine:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/infectiou...184335144.html

"....the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines were 90 percent effective at preventing infections, as opposed to just disease."

If that is accurate, you naturally have an 80% chance of mild to no symptoms if you contract it, or a 90% chance of no infection if vaccinated.

Doesn't sound like a huge difference in odds. If you have other medical conditions then those odds might be drastically different.

The numbers I have seen are that 30% of people do not have symptoms:

https://hartfordhealthcare.org/about...6&publicId=395

I know several people who got it and said it sucked bad. Sickest they have ever been.

I got the vaccine because 1) I didn’t want to get sick and 2) I don’t want to wear a mask.

I don’t think people should be forced to get the vaccine but I’m also not going to be too keen on wearing a mask to protect others who have chosen not to get a vaccine.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by Silver14

Many get vaccinated to reduce the spread of COVID, not only mitigate potential symptoms.

You can be asymptomatic with or without the vaccine and still be a carrier

Originally Posted by Silver14

Early studies show heart and lung damage as a possible complication in those who had asymptomatic COVID.

Early studies projected millions dead in our country. Early studies then projected a higher percentage of deaths per infected when that "early study" did not pan out. Early studies said masks were ineffective, ad nauseum. Early studies are not sound, IMO.

Originally Posted by Silver14

What are the %s on current hospitalizations - vaccinated compared to not? COVID death % comparing vaccinated to vaccinated? Any #s on deaths caused by COVID compared to vaccine deaths?

Things to consider when one calculates their personal odds .

I have no statistical answers on your questions.

Common sense says most of those hospitalizations are caused by underlying medical conditions and Covid greatly sickening or killing because of that.

Age is also another factor.

That being said, your concerns, as well as the one I brought up, SHOULD be considered by the INDIVIDUAL, not by society.

If this were a virus like small pox, measles, etc, then I might have a different opinion.

The specific virus in question is more closely related to the flu. And, I'm suspecting as the virus mutates, just like influenza, yearly adjustments to the vaccine will have to be made and administered.

[Silver14]

Originally Posted by 95 imp

You can be asymptomatic with or without the vaccine and still be a carrier

Early studies projected millions dead in our country. Early studies then projected a higher percentage of deaths per infected when that "early study" did not pan out. Early studies said masks were ineffective, ad nauseum. Early studies are not sound, IMO.

I have no statistical answers on your questions.

Common sense says most of those hospitalizations are caused by underlying medical conditions and Covid greatly sickening or killing because of that.

Age is also another factor.

That being said, your concerns, as well as the one I brought up, SHOULD be considered by the INDIVIDUAL, not by society.

If this were a virus like small pox, measles, etc, then I might have a different opinion.

The specific virus in question is more closely related to the flu. And, I'm suspecting as the virus mutates, just like influenza, yearly adjustments to the vaccine will have to be made and administered.

Last I saw from the CDC was that vaccinated are less likely than unvaccinated to acquire and transmit.

I don't feel one should dismiss all early studies solely because some early studies are wrong, each study should be considered on its own merits.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7034e5.htm


Do you think the virus would have less chance to mutate if more were vaccinated?