[Thor142]

I don't care one way or another about "heritage" of any options package or model. If the reasoning is that production cost can be kept down on this amazing package by mass producing it in one trim only then I'm for it. I'm not saying this makes sense but I've heard it thrown out there and it seems logical to me. The 1LE package looks absolutely amazing this generation. I'd hate to see it priced out of reason because of having to spread production costs out because of so many customizable options.

[Cam 6]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

The only sense I can make of this, is that GM is concerned about ZL1 customers switching to a 2SS/1LE = a $15,000 loss in sales. They must believe that the $5,000 they lose out on every 1SS/1LE customer who would have upped to a 2SS won't be enough to cover the loss of ZL1 customers.

I think this sums it up. Old Jedi is the perfect example. If a 2SS 1LE option isn't offered he'll go ZL1.

For those that can't make the money jump to the ZL1, they will go 2SS for all the bells and whistles or suck it up and go 1SS 1LE for the incredible value the package is sure to offer.

The only thing GM is losing would be the margin on the markup from 1SS to 2SS.

It's not like those of us in a conundrum over 1SS 1LE, 2SS 1LE or ZL1 will be jumping the fence for a Mustang.

It's a marketing thing.

[Thor142]

Won't a 2ss with MRC be more than adequate for those of you looking for a great DD and an occasional track day? If you're looking to shave seconds of a lap I highly doubt you're loading up a 1LE with extra weight anyway. The guys that are tracking the 6th gen are giving it nothing but very high praise.

[Blackdevil77]

Definitely think they should offer a 2SS on the 1LE

[SS 1LE]

Probably should have added a third option like, "I will be buying a 1SS 1LE, but have no problem with GM offering a 2SS 1LE choice"...

[crabman]

Originally Posted by Cam 6

I think this sums it up. Old Jedi is the perfect example. If a 2SS 1LE option isn't offered he'll go ZL1.

For those that can't make the money jump to the ZL1, they will go 2SS for all the bells and whistles or suck it up and go 1SS 1LE for the incredible value the package is sure to offer.

The only thing GM is losing would be the margin on the markup from 1SS to 2SS.

It's not like those of us in a conundrum over 1SS 1LE, 2SS 1LE or ZL1 will be jumping the fence for a Mustang.

It's a marketing thing.

I don't think so, those that would like to make the jump and those that can are very different things. While Jedi can, most cant. What you want and what you can have are two different things.

The ZL1 also isn't just a little different, its much more potent in every way and contains a number of bespoke parts so I don't see too many ZL1 buyers moving down to 2SS1LE simply to save ching. If they were closer it would be a lot easier for me to get on board with this one.

Originally Posted by Thor142

Won't a 2ss with MRC be more than adequate for those of you looking for a great DD and an occasional track day? If you're looking to shave seconds of a lap I highly doubt you're loading up a 1LE with extra weight anyway. The guys that are tracking the 6th gen are giving it nothing but very high praise.

Thats the funny part. Some years back toward the start of C6 the C6Z boys took everything out of a loaded car that wasn't in base car (yes, the purist were saying the loaded cars were for sissies) and weighed it. 14 lbs, or not even a quarter tank of gas. So much for the unworthy for track duty because of excess weight argument. I don't know the numbers here but it's going to be similar if we compare the models with the same transmission. The weight was never the reason, it is meaningless.

While I'm typing lets pop one more bubble. If the track time is oh so important and nothing else matters then the car should be automatic only. They are faster. I don't want an auto but I'm saying that the logic for 1SS only because its a track beast and we cant have anything slowing the car down doesn't play well with equipping it with a transmission that is going to make the car slower at the track. Seems like something more is at play...

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by crabman

While I'm typing lets pop one more bubble. If the track time is oh so important and nothing else matters then the car should be automatic only. They are faster. I don't want an auto but I'm saying that the logic for 1SS only because its a track beast and we cant have anything slowing the car down doesn't play well with equipping it with a transmission that is going to make the car slower at the track. Seems like something more is at play...

That is actually incorrect as the vast majority of SS 1LE owners who will track their cars will be autocrossing them. Autos, even good ones, are simply just not intuitive enough to work as well as a manual on a small, tight track like that...I can speak from years and years of autocross experience.

Furthermore, if you are talking a larger road course, the above is still partly the case. But, the biggest issue the autos have is overheating problems. People who have tracked their auto 6th gens have already reported this as an issue. My friends went into limp mode after about seven hard laps. GM did right by making the 1LE's manual only...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

People who have tracked their auto 6th gens have already reported this as an issue.

This isn't an auto/manual discussion....but have they? I saw a thread where an auto was having quite a good time around Road America. I haven't seen anything about overheating Camaros, yet...

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

Probably should have added a third option like, "I will be buying a 1SS 1LE, but have no problem with GM offering a 2SS 1LE choice"...

The thread is simply a question of existence, not necessarily intent to buy. Could select "yes".

[mjk3888]

BREAKING NEWS!!!

A 2SS OPTION ON THE 1LE WON'T CAUSE THE 1SS TO BE SLOWER!!!

Originally Posted by Thor142

Won't a 2ss with MRC be more than adequate for those of you looking for a great DD and an occasional track day? If you're looking to shave seconds of a lap I highly doubt you're loading up a 1LE with extra weight anyway. The guys that are tracking the 6th gen are giving it nothing but very high praise.

I'm not looking to shave tenths off a lap time. I'm looking to shave the 3 full seconds off the standard SS's lap time and retain 2SS daily driving luxuries!

also a 6th gen 2SS 1LE would still be significantly lighter than a 5th gen 1SS 1LE.

Thoughts? Comments?

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

This isn't an auto/manual discussion....but have they? I saw a thread where an auto was having quite a good time around Road America. I haven't seen anything about overheating Camaros, yet...

Yup, there is a thread on here about a guy having issues tracking his A8, and my friend had issues at Sebring. A novice may not have issues, but a good driver who is pushing the car may very well...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

According to the poll it looks like 14 of you need to take a break to go check your lawn.

Let's not do that, please...if GM finds this thread, I'd like them to actually glean some information from it...not watch a bunch of bickering enthusiasts throw poo.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Let's not do that, please...if GM finds this thread, I'd like them to actually glean some information from it...not watch a bunch of bickering enthusiasts throw poo.

Fair enough.

Waiting for this 1LE, 2SS or not, is making me lose my mind.

Maybe there's someone on my lawn. HAHA!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by mjk3888

Fair enough.

Waiting for this 1LE, 2SS or not, is making me lose my mind.

Maybe there's someone on my lawn. HAHA!

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by crabman

While I'm typing lets pop one more bubble. If the track time is oh so important and nothing else matters then the car should be automatic only. They are faster. I don't want an auto but I'm saying that the logic for 1SS only because its a track beast and we cant have anything slowing the car down doesn't play well with equipping it with a transmission that is going to make the car slower at the track. Seems like something more is at play...

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

That is actually incorrect as the vast majority of SS 1LE owners who will track their cars will be autocrossing them. Autos, even good ones, are simply just not intuitive enough to work as well as a manual on a small, tight track like that...I can speak from years and years of autocross experience.

Furthermore, if you are talking a larger road course, the above is still partly the case. But, the biggest issue the autos have is overheating problems. People who have tracked their auto 6th gens have already reported this as an issue. My friends went into limp mode after about seven hard laps. GM did right by making the 1LE's manual only...

I think the phrase "Automatic is faster at the track" has been become far too common of a statement, even being mentioned in reviews. This isn't accurate. The statement should read "Automatic is faster in straight line acceleration from a stop"

I'm not really sure I can think of any other circumstances in which an automatic car has out performed an indentical car equipped with a Manual trans.

The weak link of the manual transmission is the initial launch. It's much harder to modulate throttle and clutch engagement simultaneously even with modern launch control assists.