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Old 10-05-2018, 08:54 AM   #5755
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How long would it take and how much would it cost to equip every road in America with the appropriate sensors? It does sound more practical than just the car trying as weather shuts down a lot of the technology. Also what are the costs on making the cars relatively safe from hacking?
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Old 10-05-2018, 10:27 AM   #5756
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If you wait a few secs after going to the website, on the right side after the short ad, there is a five minute video of the Caddy and the system being driven in the rain...


https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/t...-reports-test/


Scroll down afterwards and there are more good subjects on Honda/Gm, Tesla, etc....Pretty nice web-site, actually...
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Old 10-05-2018, 10:54 AM   #5757
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Old 10-05-2018, 01:53 PM   #5758
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Old 10-05-2018, 01:56 PM   #5759
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Seems like someone on the camo team at GM likes disguising things as Dodges. Looks like a (fake) crosshair grill up there.
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Old 10-05-2018, 02:16 PM   #5760
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Well it was Ford for the K2 trucks.
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Old 10-05-2018, 05:32 PM   #5761
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By the time Level 4 / Level 5 Autonomous become commonplace, cars will communicate with roads / lanes through satellite GPS instead of camera and will communicate to other cars via transponders in addition to radar and LIDAR. So, a commonplace scenario could be that at Mile Marker 21, a human driven car hits a deer...Assuming the driver slammed the brakes, the transponder in that car would send out a signal telling all the cars around it “I just slammed my brakes”. Even if that car doesn’t have a transponder, if any of the cars approaching that scene slams their brakes, their transponder(s) will send a signal to other cars in the area “Hey!! I just slammed my brakes and slowed from 72 mph to 4 mph. Be aware”. So the autonomous car approaching from Mile Marker 20 has more than ample notification that “something is going on at Mile Marker 21 that will have you brake to a stop”.
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Not sure if your road sensor question was directed to me, so I copied my last post above. The transponders that I am referring to are in other cars on the road. Even non-autonomous cars can/will have equipment on-board that facilitates V2V (vehicle to vehicle) communication. Road transponders would be V2I (vehicle to infrastructure). There will be some of that too, so that autonomous cars know the status of traffic lights, etc.

Much of this is already in place. Any vehicle with OnStar has the essence of a transponder. It just needs to be capable of saying “I slammed my brakes” and transmitting that via near field communications. Then autonomous vehicles in the area would know that at a particular point in their field of travel, a vehicle had need to brake hard. Or if a car’s traction control is activated and the transponder transmits “hey, my traction control just activated...it’s slippery out here” an AV travel nearby would get the information that there are traction issues at some point.

Should also note that many non-AVs have traffic sign recognition capability today. This is more prevalent in Europe, where signs are more constant. Cameras on the car can read stop signs, detour signs, road closed signs, speed limit signs, etc.
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Old 10-08-2018, 09:23 AM   #5762
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Not sure if your road sensor question was directed to me, so I copied my last post above. The transponders that I am referring to are in other cars on the road. Even non-autonomous cars can/will have equipment on-board that facilitates V2V (vehicle to vehicle) communication. Road transponders would be V2I (vehicle to infrastructure). There will be some of that too, so that autonomous cars know the status of traffic lights, etc.

Much of this is already in place. Any vehicle with OnStar has the essence of a transponder. It just needs to be capable of saying “I slammed my brakes” and transmitting that via near field communications. Then autonomous vehicles in the area would know that at a particular point in their field of travel, a vehicle had need to brake hard. Or if a car’s traction control is activated and the transponder transmits “hey, my traction control just activated...it’s slippery out here” an AV travel nearby would get the information that there are traction issues at some point.

Should also note that many non-AVs have traffic sign recognition capability today. This is more prevalent in Europe, where signs are more constant. Cameras on the car can read stop signs, detour signs, road closed signs, speed limit signs, etc.

The technology is available today and has been for 10 years. The primary issue is [vehicle manufacture] believe they need to own it and the rest of the world can bow down to them through royalties, patents and profits. It's never been about vehicle safety.



Toyota got tired of everyone else refusing to cooperate and started deploying the technology with Kymeta Corporation.


The military is currently using the technology, a partial example is "drone swarms".


The aviation community deployed the technology already and almost at 100% immersion.


The international shipping community also deployed the technology already.


The idea of a "camera" to read some random road sign is naive at best and simply irresponsibly negligent. Speed limits signs et al, are are data stored points of interest.
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Old 10-09-2018, 08:57 AM   #5763
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I was sure hoping they would leave them alone from the terrible side mirror placement of the truck's.

GM is on a roll of ruining the look of everything they make
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Old 10-09-2018, 12:42 PM   #5764
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I was sure hoping they would leave them alone from the terrible side mirror placement of the truck's.

GM is on a roll of ruining the look of everything they make
Whats wrong with the mirrors?
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Old 10-09-2018, 01:57 PM   #5765
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Whats wrong with the mirrors?
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Old 10-09-2018, 02:01 PM   #5766
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They left a blank spot at the lower front corner of the window where the mirrors used to be placed and mounted them directly to the body below the window-line.

They look terrible on the trucks, and these will be identical - I guess nothing if you like the 2019 Trucks, but then you probably like the 2019 Camaro refresh as well.
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Old 10-09-2018, 02:21 PM   #5767
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They left a blank spot at the lower front corner of the window where the mirrors used to be placed and mounted them directly to the body below the window-line.

They look terrible on the trucks, and these will be identical - I guess nothing if you like the 2019 Trucks, but then you probably like the 2019 Camaro refresh as well.
I fail to see how mounting the mirrors on a small angled stalk is some horrible abomination while mounting an otherwise identical mirror straight out is beauty incarnate. Everyone has their preferences, but you are possibly the first person that I've heard form a strong opinion (one way or the other) about the manner in which a side mirror gets mounted to the door.
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Old 10-09-2018, 02:38 PM   #5768
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I fail to see how mounting the mirrors on a small angled stalk is some horrible abomination while mounting an otherwise identical mirror straight out is beauty incarnate. Everyone has their preferences, but you are possibly the first person that I've heard form a strong opinion (one way or the other) about the manner in which a side mirror gets mounted to the door.
I mean, I kinda agree with NW-99SS.

It does look tacked on. Like late in the development process they said "just move them down, now, cheap." Double sided automotive tape should handle that.
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