12-07-2021, 08:16 AM | #197 | |
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12-07-2021, 11:21 AM | #198 | |
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I know I'd been able to spin the tires on the 3-4 shift (which is around 80 MPH) with the T93, on DRs, by just playing with the VVE/VTT. I had to kill part of his VTT because of the T93, so I'm interested in seeing what he feels like getting that torque back with the new TCM. I know it's only going to make what it's going to make, but not having limits is a lot more encouraging. I just have to be careful on street tires at his mediocre power now. What I'd like to do some time is dyno the car with the two tunes (with differing torque) and see if there's any difference. Some people say as long as spark/throttle don't limit, it will make the same power. It FEELS like there is a difference to me though. Maybe placebo... Probably. I feel better this TCM is doing what I'm commanding (right or wrong) and at least he's not limited now. The 2650 doesn't hit as hard as the 1740, but that's probably a good thing for me.
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12-09-2021, 09:39 AM | #199 | |
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Here are 2 screen shots from a 50 roll in 3rd gear. You will see that the throttle still isn't fully open yet by 6400rpm. Now a stock car isn't quite as bad but as you try to make more power it gets worse because you are hitting the torque limit per gear in the TCM side sooner, so the throttle closes more to stay within a preset amount of Torque. And this is just a Headers, CAI, Flex sensor car. I'll attach a screen shot of a TCM file I found on HPt showing which table is the culprit.
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12-09-2021, 12:02 PM | #200 |
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Yup. I saw about the same thing.
I had seen enough throttle closure/TMA I just started pulling torque down low until it went away. After swapping TCMs, and removing everything you'd told me (and a couple other things) months ago, I raised my VTT back up, and got NO closure/TMA. It was all limited (as far as I'm seeing) by the TCM. I wouldn't pretend that my VVE is perfect (~5-10% depending on day and conditions) and my DD tables couldn't use a little polishing (they're pretty close in my logs), but they're aren't far off enough to cause what I'm seeing, because I didn't change them at all, and I am commanding A LOT more TQ now. I couldn't even run stock VTT in those areas. What I didn't realize, until I started looking at the TCM tunes, was that I would usually do my pulls in 3rd, I'd get a lot more throttle/TMA BS, but when I'd pull in 4th, there was almost none. It wasn't until seeing 3rd-gear limits were lower than I realized I really needed a TCM tune. Now - with that gear TQ limit table max'd, I don't see anything trying to cut power. I don't regret this purchase. I might have liked it as much as adding the 2650 actually.
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12-16-2021, 08:43 AM | #201 |
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Finally installed my TCM, but I thought it was more accessible than it turned out to be. I have a street tune and track tune w/2nd gear launch. It never occurred to me that I might use the 2nd gear launch tune on the street, but I'll get it a try. I believe my tuner, Dinosaur Juice, said he's got cars running 1.30/1.40's 60 ft., so we'll see how my car runs next spring.
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03-21-2024, 12:55 PM | #202 |
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Bringing this back from the way dead lol, getting my trans tuned this weekend. Since it's been a few years since this came out, how is everyone that has had it done liking it so far?
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03-21-2024, 02:16 PM | #203 | |
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The latest definition update (I think it was nearing a year-and-a-half ago) added a few more dials to turn that weren't ground breaking. It did allow a little more options to dial it in more to the individual's preferences, but nothing was too ground breaking. I think the biggest one was adjustment of the shift pressures and overall line pressure (or it was the TCC pressure...). It was minor, but I made some use of it. The biggest benefit you'll get is being able to control TM better. I think it was the 2-3 shift that was the worst. I feel like I can hear it in the Escalade V-videos, too. I swear I can hear it fall on it's face around 60 MPH, right where I used to have that issue. TM was so bad it was taking all the power out. MINIMUM SPARK, in the E92, helped a bit, but I had to mess with VTT a lot to try to minimize it. I suggest to anyone to do it. I'd go with someone who will calibrate it the way you want it. Some guys don't like being told what to do, but the guys you see posting here most often, I believe, will help you through whatever you're looking for.
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03-21-2024, 02:28 PM | #204 | |
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03-21-2024, 03:47 PM | #205 |
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The latest Beta has A LOT more parameters for the 10 Speed Transmission. Especially the shift timing and Inertia tables.
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03-21-2024, 05:10 PM | #206 |
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I believe mine has a tuned T87a but I'm not 100% sure because Houston House of Power's invoices says, Modified TCM for T93 Camaro
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03-21-2024, 06:39 PM | #207 |
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All of the A10 ZL1 transmissions/TCMs are currently tunable.
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03-22-2024, 05:20 AM | #208 |
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Not true. Once you have it unlocked by HPTuners, they are very tunable. I just did one yesterday.
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03-22-2024, 07:44 AM | #209 |
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You guys are saying the same thing
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03-22-2024, 07:44 AM | #210 |
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Jason, I think you misread NicKey’s post lol. You’re saying the same thing.
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