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Sean@Phastek · 06-28-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hicompression

Seems to me that shorty headers are worthless when compared to stock unless proven differently on the dyno.

Most of the shorty header manufacturer's are putting out dyno graphs that show decent low end gains.

Here's JBA's dyno chart for their shorties:

GQ4Life · 06-28-2010, 11:15 AM

id rather see a regular person dyno back to back same day

ArkySS · 06-28-2010, 01:48 PM

There are apparently some weight savings as well...or so I am told.

axis · 06-28-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ4Life

id rather see a regular person dyno back to back same day

+1

I've seen all the claims from the manufacturers but have yet to see a independent dyno come anywhere close to their claims. 18whp/24tq are damn near LT numbers. There's no way they are getting that much gain with the stock cats.

2010 4 DW · 06-28-2010, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by axis

+1

I've seen all the claims from the manufacturers but have yet to see a independent dyno come anywhere close to their claims. 18whp/24tq are damn near LT numbers. There's no way they are getting that much gain with the stock cats.

I gained 48rwhp with my Long tubes and exhaust so that is not close to the 18rwhp that shorties are claiming.

I always say you need to look at the dyno graph as most shops only look at peak numbers and I have seen parts only make +1hp at 6500rpm but make 10-15hp in the 3-5K range.

DW

axis · 06-28-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010 4 DW

I gained 48rwhp with my Long tubes and exhaust so that is not close to the 18rwhp that shorties are claiming.

I always say you need to look at the dyno graph as most shops only look at peak numbers and I have seen parts only make +1hp at 6500rpm but make 10-15hp in the 3-5K range.

DW

48whp is more than most have gotten from LT"s. I've seen posts of high 20's to high 30's.

2010 4 DW · 06-28-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by axis

48whp is more than most have gotten from LT"s. I've seen posts of high 20's to high 30's.

You never put on long tubes without a tune so with the headers and the tune it made almost 50rwhp.

DW

axis · 06-28-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 2010 4 DW

You never put on long tubes without a tune so with the headers and the tune it made almost 50rwhp.

DW

I wouldn't say NEVER, but most do put a tune on with them. There are several that haven't though. You can't compare HP output between LT's with a tune to Shorty's without one.

KungFuHamster · 06-28-2010, 06:25 PM

id say look at the hp/dollar of shorties vs long tubes.

us mod motor mustang guys usually try to steer people away from shorties because the install isnt really much easier over longtubes and the gains (pwr wise) are minimal.

id say if youre gonna spend the $, then just go ahead and get longtubes and be done with it.

2010 4 DW · 06-28-2010, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by axis

I wouldn't say NEVER, but most do put a tune on with them. There are several that haven't though. You can't compare HP output between LT's with a tune to Shorty's without one.

You cannot compare shorties to Long tubes as one replaces the factory cats and they other re-uses the factory cats.

Now comparing shorties with off road mids vs Long tubes with off road mids would be nice to see.

DW

z28chuck · 03-02-2011, 09:33 PM

Why do people continue to argue with each other about this crap?! If the man says he got 48 RWHP then thats what he got! ARH claims 50 rwhp with their LTs and a tune... WTH do you all just look for something to argue about? We are all spending our own $$ for more power, better sound, etc...so why try to ruin somebodys day? If they think it was a great deal then just keep your comments to yourself and let them be HAPPY!!

Long tubes, short tubes...what the hells the difference if they make you happy!

kmcd · 03-02-2011, 10:03 PM

There is an appreciable weight advantage with the shorties over the stock manifolds, and they also sound better (deeper tone) than the manifolds when you open up the rest of the exhaust behind the cats.

Those BBK collectors look more efficient that my Doug Thorleys. I wouldn't be so quick to trash the man's product.

That is, if anybody still cares? I just noticed the date on this thread.

ss/rs-matt · 09-01-2011, 04:34 PM

Any updates?

Revo1 · 09-01-2011, 04:39 PM

Those are purty...

06-28-2010, 11:15 AM	#30
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03-02-2011, 10:03 PM	#40
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