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FenwickHockey65 · 01-06-2022, 09:16 PM

Something I'm finding annoying with EV launches lately...

$105k First Editions. They sell out so it's not like there's issues selling them, and if GM can find buyers for them then all power to them. The problem I have is it makes it hard to figure out how much a normal model is going to cost and what features will get left out.

Silverado's a good example, how many of those launch features like WOW mode is exclusive to just the XXXX number of First Editions? And then how much will a normal RST cost?

Martinjlm · 01-06-2022, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Something I'm finding annoying with EV launches lately...

$105k First Editions. They sell out so it's not like there's issues selling them, and if GM can find buyers for them then all power to them. The problem I have is it makes it hard to figure out how much a normal model is going to cost and what features will get left out.

Silverado's a good example, how many of those launch features like WOW mode is exclusive to just the XXXX number of First Editions? And then how much will a normal RST cost?

The best gauge of this would be to look at how the Hummer EV models are rolling out. Edition 1 is rolling out now at $112,600. A year from now Hummer EV 3x rolls out at $99,995. Six months later Hummer EV 3 at $89,995 and finally a year later, Hummer EV 2x at $79,995.

FenwickHockey65 · 01-06-2022, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The best gauge of this would be to look at how the Hummer EV models are rolling out. Edition 1 is rolling out now at $112,600. A year from now Hummer EV 3x rolls out at $99,995. Six months later Hummer EV 3 at $89,995 and finally a year later, Hummer EV 2x at $79,995.

I'm guessing a Silverado LT will end up around $50k.

I'd love to know Midgate availability on lower trims too. With the Multi-Flex tailgate you could just buy one off a wrecked truck if you really wanted one but obviously that's not possible with the Midgate.

90503 · 01-06-2022, 11:08 PM

Well they said this...

In spring 2023, the Silverado EV will debut a WT model offering GM’s longest range battery with an expected GM-estimated range of over 400 miles on a full charge. In fall 2023, a fully loaded RST First Edition model, also delivering a 400-mile range, will debut with an MSRP of $105,000 + DFC. After production ramps up, Chevrolet will unleash the full Silverado EV portfolio, including WT (with a starting at MSRP of $39,900 + DFC), RST, Trail Boss and more. Customers will have the ability to content the truck across various price ranges, with MSRPs around $50,000, $60,000, $70,000, $80,000 and more, allowing them to choose the truck that meets their capability and pricing needs.

It looks like perhaps the Silverado options and combos will be more plentiful than the pre-packaged Hummers. Still not very specific with pricing and details, but maybe more chances to personalize the Silverado.

snizzle · 01-07-2022, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

The best gauge of this would be to look at how the Hummer EV models are rolling out. Edition 1 is rolling out now at $112,600. A year from now Hummer EV 3x rolls out at $99,995. Six months later Hummer EV 3 at $89,995 and finally a year later, Hummer EV 2x at $79,995.

WT: 40K. That's your baseline. 10K over ICE WT.

2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 WT – Starting at $29,300 MSRP
2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 Custom – Starting at $36,500 MSRP
2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 Custom Trail Boss – Starting at $41,700 MSRP
2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 LT – Starting at $40,300 MSRP
2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 RST – Starting at $43,900 MSRP
2021 Chevy Silverado 1500 LT Trail Boss – Starting at $51,500 MSRP
2021 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 LTZ – Starting at $49,400 MSRP
2021 Chevrolet Silverado 1500 High Country – Starting at $53,900 MSRP

Martinjlm · 01-07-2022, 07:23 AM

I think 90503 and swizzle are on the right path.

snizzle · 01-07-2022, 07:33 AM

It's not going to be pretty if you want to be an early adopter but it never is. There will be a next gen ICE counterpart in 2025 likely more reasonable and maybe even the last ICE generation. Let's just hope gas isn't $6 a gallon by then. No tailpipe emissions by 2035, light duty vehicles, at which point i'm assuming the BEV trucks will be the only option from GM.

NW-99SS · 01-07-2022, 01:18 PM

This new "EValanche" have any capabilities to power a camper through outlets at the back like the new Ford Hybrids and Lightning?

Sorry - no time to watch the slow and boring videos.

KMPrenger · 01-07-2022, 01:20 PM

About that range.

400+ miles they say. But is that 400+ miles on the highway, or 400+ miles of city and highway? (less if you tried to do an all highway trip)

My understanding is that the highway range will likely be less than that.

KMPrenger · 01-07-2022, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NW-99SS

This new "EValanche" have any capabilities to power a camper through outlets at the back like the new Ford Hybrids and Lightning?

Sorry - no time to watch the slow and boring videos.

It has a slew of plugs in the rear, so I'd guess yes

crysalis_01 · 01-07-2022, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

About that range.

400+ miles they say. But is that 400+ miles on the highway, or 400+ miles of city and highway? (less if you tried to do an all highway trip)

My understanding is that the highway range will likely be less than that.

I'm also wondering if they tested that unladen or with a 1000lb payload like Ford did with Lightning. Apparently there are reports of unladen early L's showing up to 472 miles of range on a full charge.

Part of me thinks they did the testing with that payload so later they can tout "improved" range without having to do anything more than removing the weight for testing.

FarmerFran · 01-07-2022, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by crysalis_01

I'm also wondering if they tested that unladen or with a 1000lb payload like Ford did with Lightning. Apparently there are reports of unladen early L's showing up to 472 miles of range on a full charge.

Part of me thinks they did the testing with that payload so later they can tout "improved" range without having to do anything more than removing the weight for testing.

How long do they charge to get that range back?

Martinjlm · 01-07-2022, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FarmerFran

How long do they charge to get that range back?

Noted in the media spec sheet. Adds 100 miles per 10 minutes of charge at a DC Fast Charger.

FarmerFran · 01-07-2022, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Noted in the media spec sheet. Adds 100 miles per 10 minutes of charge at a DC Fast Charger.

I saw that Thank you, They all have my attention.

I was replying the Ford getting 47X range and how long the recharge time is.

01-06-2022, 09:16 PM	#8023
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NW-99SS Drives: 1999 Camaro SS M6 - SBE LS1 Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 1,166	This new "EValanche" have any capabilities to power a camper through outlets at the back like the new Ford Hybrids and Lightning? Sorry - no time to watch the slow and boring videos. __________________ 1999 Camaro SS 6M - SBE LS1 1963 Corvette GrandSport - ZZ502 4M 2017 Denali 1500 6.2 2017 Yukon Denali 6.2

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KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	About that range. 400+ miles they say. But is that 400+ miles on the highway, or 400+ miles of city and highway? (less if you tried to do an all highway trip) My understanding is that the highway range will likely be less than that. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

01-06-2022, 11:08 PM	#8026
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,425	Well they said this... In spring 2023, the Silverado EV will debut a WT model offering GM’s longest range battery with an expected GM-estimated range of over 400 miles on a full charge. In fall 2023, a fully loaded RST First Edition model, also delivering a 400-mile range, will debut with an MSRP of $105,000 + DFC. After production ramps up, Chevrolet will unleash the full Silverado EV portfolio, including WT (with a starting at MSRP of $39,900 + DFC), RST, Trail Boss and more. Customers will have the ability to content the truck across various price ranges, with MSRPs around $50,000, $60,000, $70,000, $80,000 and more, allowing them to choose the truck that meets their capability and pricing needs. It looks like perhaps the Silverado options and combos will be more plentiful than the pre-packaged Hummers. Still not very specific with pricing and details, but maybe more chances to personalize the Silverado.