[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by KamZL1

I just don't understand why GM lock these new cars down like fort knox. Aftermarket modifications to LS/LT platforms is a major reason performance cars from GM have such a massive following. Let people assume responsibility if they decide they want to modify. It is easily investigated and proven for warranty work claims. Imagine this car able to be tuned with a set of turbos out of the box. Same goes for upcoming variants, I don't get it.

Its not about locking them down from performance mods, about its locking them down from theft. The stronger encryption makes it more difficult to steal the vehicle, the unfortunate byproduct is that it also affects aftermarket performance products.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

I think many people forget the Z06 was designed to be a track car. I understand most owners won't buy them for the track but that is its purpose so bumper to bumper traffic and low end torque aren't really what is was made for.

I'm going to respectfully disagree that the Z06 was specifically designed for the track. If that's case, why offer a convertible version or the Z07 option?

GM knows it market very well. As you said, they understand that an overwhelming percentage of Z06s buyers will never ever take their cars to a track.

The question for someone like me, who I believe represents the vast majority of potential Z06 buyers, is will I be satisfied with a high reving, low torque Corvette on the street? Maybe I will and maybe I won't. Until I have a better answer to that question, I'm staying on the sidelines for now.

[JasonGofast]

Extremely impressed. With this new engine it's really just a Corvette in name only now. Performance wise I'm not convinced yet it will beat track monsters like the ACR or Perfomante.
Driving experience wise it sounds like it'd be a joy to drive. Sure being able to stay in a higher gear and just grunt around with heavy low end torque is nice. However, ripping downshifts through a DCT to get to 6-7k RPMS and still revving it out to nearly 9k sounds like a blast. To me it seems to be the ultimate weekend, backroad carving car.

If I get tired of racing at the strip and on tollroads at late night I would certainly like to grab a C8Z and be content with just putting an exhaust on it. I'm not on a list though and I'm sure minimum reselling prices will be above 120k.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by hawk02

I'm going to respectfully disagree that the Z06 was specifically designed for the track. If that's case, why offer a convertible version or the Z07 option?

GM knows it market very well. As you said, they understand that an overwhelming percentage of Z06s buyers will never ever take their cars to a track.

The question for someone like me, who I believe represents the vast majority of potential Z06 buyers, is will I be satisfied with a high reving, low torque Corvette on the street? Maybe I will and maybe I won't. Until I have a better answer to that question, I'm staying on the sidelines for now.

Again, I come back to GM has gotten away from its ZO6 roots in the C5 and C6. I think the C8 Z06 is taking a step back in that direction. If they build a convertible, oh well, guess they want the best of both worlds. I think the statement of low torque is a bit silly. Honestly, it may not make as much as the LT4, but the LT1 and LT2 aren't lacking any torque at all and I doubt the LT6 is going to be any different. You won't miss those peak dyno numbers down low. It will almost certainly be geared lower than the base C8 Stingray which makes peak torque numbers a non-issue.

[Checkmate1]

The only thing I like about the C8 Z06 is the LT6 motor. The motor is an engineer's wet dream.

The rest of the car I don't care for as the design is still not cohesive to me (especially that rear end).

Personally - my ZLE is perfect for me as it has a Manual + Back Seats (for my young ones). Let's not forget the LT4 in the ZLE still makes more torque at 650lbs right before 4000rpm.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Checkmate1

The only thing I like about the C8 Z06 is the LT6 motor. The motor is an engineer's wet dream.

The rest of the car I don't care for as the design is still not cohesive to me (especially that rear end).

Personally - my ZLE is perfect for me as it has a Manual + Back Seats (for my young ones). Let's not forget the LT4 in the ZLE still makes more torque at 650lbs right before 4000rpm.

The torque is irrelevant otherwise we would all be driving semi trucks.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

I'm very impressed with the new Z06 engine and styling; IMO much improved over the Stingray which I think looks OK but could have been much better with a few minor changes. The LT6 has 50 more hp than I thought it would and I'm very impressed with the 670 hp SAE rating from a NA V8 engine. The only NA production engines I can think of that are more powerful than this are the modern Ferrari and Lambo V12s.

The design improvements including bigger/wider wheels/tires, wider front/rear fenders, updated front and rear fascias, improved exhaust tips and diffuser styling, better wheel designs, and organic Z07 wing make it look a lot better than a Stingray, IMO. Dare I say better than a C7 Z06, which is a car I like a lot.

The comments about "low torque" are silly to me. Doesn't it have only 10 less ft-lbs than an LS7 (although at higher rpm)? It has a 5.56 rear end so there's torque multiplication. No, it won't have a lot of low rpm grunt, but it will trap >130 mph which means it will MOVE in a straight line - you just need to be a couple of gears lower and use the engine as it was designed if you want to move out, e.g. >4500 rpm. Basically, get out of the 2k-4k for normal driving and shift your thinking up to 3k-5k for normal day to day "beginning of the fun stuff" driving.

It's unfortunate the ADMs on this are going to be insane. I'm still thinking base price will be about $90k (without ADMs).

[JSH]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

The torque is irrelevant otherwise we would all be driving semi trucks.

I disagree. Acceleration comes from torque at the wheels, F = MA

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

Its not about locking them down from performance mods, about its locking them down from theft. The stronger encryption makes it more difficult to steal the vehicle, the unfortunate byproduct is that it also affects aftermarket performance products.

And if I recall correctly, because all of the computers/modules communicate with each other, GM has to lock the entire system (essentially) to protect the vehicle. I guess it kinda' goes back to when those Chrysler cars started getting hacked and such - something like that...

[Snowwolfe]

The more I look at the car the less I care for it. Has to much stuff going on, almost a "ricer". Body lines need to be smoothed out some and get rid of the flash.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by JSH

I disagree. Acceleration comes from torque at the wheels, F = MA

It was an exaggeration but if torque were ALL that mattered, every engine with the most torque would be quickest accelerating. HP and gearing plays a role too and I'm sorry to tell you but the difference between the LT4 and LT6 torque rating isn't enough to make a huge difference in acceleration. The C8 Z06 is going to be CONSIDERABLY quicker than the ZL1 in the 1/4.

[arpad_m]

Good to see all these different opinions

[Checkmate1]

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

It was an exaggeration but if torque were ALL that mattered, every engine with the most torque would be quickest accelerating. HP and gearing plays a role too and I'm sorry to tell you but the difference between the LT4 and LT6 torque rating isn't enough to make a huge difference in acceleration. The C8 Z06 is going to be CONSIDERABLY quicker than the ZL1 in the 1/4.

It needs to be. Less mass than the ZL1. It's two different segments.

After the marketing hype dies down, the true test will be shake downs on the street + track for the Z06. I will simply sit and watch.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by Checkmate1

It needs to be. Less mass than the ZL1. It's two different segments.

After the marketing hype dies down, the true test will be shake downs on the street + track for the Z06. I will simply sit and watch.

Agreed, don't forget those 0-60mph and 1/4 mi time improvements have a lot to do with the improved traction off the line with those 345 wide 21" tires.

I saw this myself with my Tesla Model 3. It does mid 11's in the 1/4 mi but only traps at 115mph. Once moving the ZL1 will chase it down though.

Wait until they much some electric motors in the C8. It will probably hit 60 in under 2.0 like the Tesla Plaid.