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Old 10-27-2021, 09:16 AM   #29
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I just lost my 2015 Z06 (my brother in-law rolled it) so I am in the market for another car maybe corvette and honestly the c8 does nothing for me. I am ok with mid engine (its not that I am a front engine purist) but the design of the exterior and interior do nothing for me and then I might be able to look past that as I am a performance 1st kind of person and it does deliver there but no manual transmission kills it for me.
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:19 AM   #30
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Gets what? The lap times will be incredible for the Z06 without question.
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:21 AM   #31
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Very impressed. Will have to wait 2yrs though to get one if you want to pay msrp I’m guessing.
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:23 AM   #32
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I love (almost) all of it. I am a fan of the C8 design, and like the looks of the Z even more. The motor is a high point of the car for sure, and I love the fact they made sure you can hear it in the cockpit.

I wish it had a manual. What's the point of a high revving NA engine if you can't row through the gears, and heal and toe?
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:27 AM   #33
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I think many people forget the Z06 was designed to be a track car. I understand most owners won't buy them for the track but that is its purpose so bumper to bumper traffic and low end torque aren't really what is was made for.
And the previous ZO6's all did well at the track(Aside from the 15-16Z's with cooling issues) with engines that made great low/mid range torque... At the end of the day 90% of the people buying these cars are going to drive them to cars/coffee and back home. Either way I commend GM for the efforts put into this platform. It's on the cutting edge and will appeal to the masses. Many of us here are old school and we don't want change. Let us cavemen have our opinions too...
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:27 AM   #34
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Spot on.

GM had no choice but to move the engine behind the driver if it wanted to improve performance. Pretty much anyone who wanted a C7 had already bought one. The big horsepower had been put in the ZR1. What was left?

I have a C8 HTC and a 6th gen ZL1. I'm holding back any thoughts of moving to the Z06 for three reasons.

1. Pricing. I want to see the base price and what options are included. I got to experience the Corvette Tax first hand with my Stingray. Options add up real fast in Corvette land.

2. The engine. Redline at 8600 rpm maybe great for the track, but I want to know how it plays out in bumper to bumper traffic. 460 lb-ft of torque at 6300 rpm is less than the LT2. If you're a torque junky like me, the LT4's 650 lb-ft at 3600 rpm makes me smile. Reliability is another issue. GM has a long history with push rod small blocks. I realize a version of the LT6 has been very reliable in their racing program. But now there will be thousands of cars beating on a version of that engine. This will really test reliability. Hopefully, it's better than what Ford owners experienced with the GT350

3. Availability. I waited 14 months for my Stingray. The thoughts of waiting that long or longer for another Corvette makes my stomach turn. Plus there will be dealer shenanigans up the wazzo on this car.

If GM has done what I think they've done, the Z06 will really turn up the heat on the sports car market. At the moment, I'm not sure I can stand any more heat.
Exactly, as for torque this C8 Z06 powertrain is a direct response to the folks who complained about the C7Z supercharged model when tracking the car. IMO, this particular trim is really the track focused model. Like you mentioned, the 460tq in street driving at 3000-4000 rpm will not feel any quicker and in order to hear that engine sing you need to wind that sucker out, which means you are pretty much limited to highway onramp pulls and the track.

Now, once they add some electric motors, it will more than satisfy the torque junkies but will it sound any good?

I just picked up a 2021 ZL1 and the torque is fantastic but I am coming from a Tesla Model 3 Performance so from a torque perspective the cars feel similar. The Tesla feels a little stronger from 0-60mph, then falls off a cliff but the ZL1 feels strong everywhere and sounds the part.
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:50 AM   #35
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Waiting for manual transmission!
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Old 10-27-2021, 09:51 AM   #36
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And the previous ZO6's all did well at the track(Aside from the 15-16Z's with cooling issues) with engines that made great low/mid range torque... At the end of the day 90% of the people buying these cars are going to drive them to cars/coffee and back home. Either way I commend GM for the efforts put into this platform. It's on the cutting edge and will appeal to the masses. Many of us here are old school and we don't want change. Let us cavemen have our opinions too...
I was just stating that the Z06 has gotten away from what it was intended for in the C5 and C6. The C7 Z06 was out of character for the Z06. I think GM may be trying to pull it back to its roots.
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Old 10-27-2021, 10:12 AM   #37
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Estimated 0-60 2.6 and the qtr in 10.5. I'm sure it puts the power down great and would kick my ZL1 all over a road course, but 1/2 mile??

My former C5 Z with 620 hp did 156 in the 1/2 mile and weighed right at 3100 pounds, so a 3700lb, 670hp Z will run 160ish???

The C8 hasn't quite grown on me yet, but the promo with Amelia and D Book was pretty impressive.

How impressed are you?
IMO C8 is of the ugliest corvette ever made! performance wise, we need to see real numbers on normal conditions which anyone could achieve.
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Old 10-27-2021, 10:24 AM   #38
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IMO C8 is of the ugliest corvette ever made! performance wise, we need to see real numbers on normal conditions which anyone could achieve.
I said that the C7 was the ugliest Corvette ever made, but its grown on me over time. Maybe the C8 will for you too. That being said, the C7 sold very poorly so apparently it didn't grow on a lot of people. The C8 is selling like crazy though.
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Old 10-27-2021, 10:34 AM   #39
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Regarding auto availability, I see today that GM has authorized OT in 6 plants because their chip shortage has improved.
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Old 10-27-2021, 10:35 AM   #40
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I just don't understand why GM lock these new cars down like fort knox. Aftermarket modifications to LS/LT platforms is a major reason performance cars from GM have such a massive following. Let people assume responsibility if they decide they want to modify. It is easily investigated and proven for warranty work claims. Imagine this car able to be tuned with a set of turbos out of the box. Same goes for upcoming variants, I don't get it.
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Old 10-27-2021, 10:36 AM   #41
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I said that the C7 was the ugliest Corvette ever made, but its grown on me over time. Maybe the C8 will for you too. That being said, the C7 sold very poorly so apparently it didn't grow on a lot of people. The C8 is selling like crazy though.
I would actually prefer a C7 today more than this C8, because I have a good idea of the mods I would chose.
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Old 10-27-2021, 10:47 AM   #42
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Seems like a great car for the price point. But realistically the average enthusiast will not be able to buy one for at least a few years. It looks OK and has great performance. But I tend to like cars that stay under the radar. I’ll leave my deposit on the Blackwing and hope for a early spring 22 delivery.
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