Racing Harness

[SubZeroo]

Does anyone have it without the roll cage just for looks? if so where can I get it and how much and please show pics

I would really like to add them just for looks.

[JusticePete]

Without a harness bar or roll cage there is no safe way to mount the shoulder straps. They should have a down angle of 5* and no more than 10*. Mounted to the floor or other such methods can cause severe spinal injuries.

[SubZeroo]

It's just for looks I will not be racing I don't wear seats belts as it stands now so it will be for looks lol

[bmbbl be]

here is your best bet,,, this is what I have ,,, quality of this outstanding !

http://www.bkauto.com/R_1150_Harness...r_p/r-1150.htm

[RJT Impala]

Seat belts are a standard part of my routine. They are buckled for me and all passengers in every vehicle I drive---before the vehicle is put in gear. It's a personal choice, but years of flying military aircraft ingrained it into my psyche! There are too many uncontrollable factors out there on the highways; I want things I can control working for me.

[maddoggyusa]

if you don't wear the seatbelt, just buy this






OR JUST DUCT TAPE TO BACK OF SEAT!

[Olddudesrule]

Originally Posted by bmbbl be

here is your best bet,,, this is what I have ,,, quality of this outstanding !

http://www.bkauto.com/R_1150_Harness...r_p/r-1150.htm

I second that! If you're just doing HPDE's or autocross, this harness bar is the best out there. Easy install, great quality.

[JusticePete]

Use the BK and harness to hold you in place to drive faster. Wear the OEM belt over or under it for safety. In a severe impact, I have seen this very stout, very well made BK bend with a large driver and seat mounted on the factory tracks.

[Blazer098]

I use a schroth rallye 3 asm. It bolts into the rear seatbelt bolt and is at a safe degree behind the seat. A harness bar with a 4 point is likely more safe however I can take a picture later of my 3 point so you can see how it works.

[StevenBateman]

Originally Posted by bmbbl be

here is your best bet,,, this is what I have ,,, quality of this outstanding !

http://www.bkauto.com/R_1150_Harness...r_p/r-1150.htm

How come this one is so expensive compared to Cipher Auto's harness bar which costs 230?

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by Blazer098

I use a schroth rallye 3 asm. It bolts into the rear seatbelt bolt and is at a safe degree behind the seat. A harness bar with a 4 point is likely more safe however I can take a picture later of my 3 point so you can see how it works.

I have seen them.

FIA run with a 40 degree down angle. The new batch of Miatas being raced have the 40 degree down angle. The company that builds the cars had major issues with the belt manufactures. The belt manufacturers insist the down angle be no more than 10 degrees and prefer 5 degrees.

The Scroth belt you are using has an even higher down angle. I have read through their materials and don't understand how they come to the conclussion the belt design is appropriate. SCCA, NASA, NASCAR, IMSA, Trans Am all adhere to the 50m to 10 degree range for shoulder strap down angle.

I have not tested belts and may be completely wrong in my thinking, but these are my thoughts. The reason for the down angle specification is to avoid crushing the spine during impact. As the body moves forward against the should straps, a relatively straight (no more than 10 degrees of down angle) should strap has relatively straight forces being transferred to the torso. If the belt is fastened to a location as low as the seat bottom, as the torso is thrown forward, the shoulder straps pull down creating the forces required to crush the spine.

My number one priority as a car builder is not to build a fast car. Priority #1 is driver safety. All decisions are based on driver safety first last and always. With that as the #1 priority, I am going with the most conservative installation of a harness bar, cage and harness. We go no lower than 7.5 degrees. If i am wrong and 40 degrees is safe, I haven't hurt anyone. If I go with 40 degrees or more and some one gets hurt...

In sshort, I am not saying your belt installation is not safe. I am saying I wouldn't use one or install one. I also know that opinions are like axx holes and everyone has one. Mine is no better or worse than most.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by StevenBateman

How come this one is so expensive compared to Cipher Auto's harness bar which costs 230?

Look at the design of the bars. Count the supports. What direction are the supports facing? Is there any triangulation? Think about where the load is when a car suddenly decelerates and the bar must hold the weight of the driver and possibly the seat. Which bar will distribute the load is the safest way?

[StevenBateman]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Look at the design of the bars. Count the supports. What direction are the supports facing? Is there any triangulation? Think about where the load is when a car suddenly decelerates and the bar must hold the weight of the driver and possibly the seat. Which bar will distribute the load is the safest way?

You're asking too many questions instead of answering mine! Seriously though I'm actually curious because this has been a thought for a future modification.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by StevenBateman

You're asking too many questions instead of answering mine! Seriously though I'm actually curious because this has been a thought for a future modification.

In my option, and we already discussed what those are worth including mine, the BK is a clearly superior design and well worth the extra cost.