JUST ORDERED TSP 2" HEADERS. WILL A TUNE BE NEEDED?

MartinLe · 01-30-2021, 01:23 PM

Hey guys, I just ordered the headers and can't wait to get them installed. I will be going catless straight to the stock suitcase. My car is completely stock, otherwise. If the tune is needed, I am wondering if I should install a wideband to dial in the afr? - it is running pig rich but strong. I thank you all in advance for your thoughts.

Joshinator99 · 01-30-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinLe

Hey guys, I just ordered the headers and can't wait to get them installed. I will be going catless straight to the stock suitcase. My car is completely stock, otherwise. If the tune is needed, I am wondering if I should install a wideband to dial in the afr? - it is running pig rich but strong. I thank you all in advance for your thoughts.

Yes, going catless will give you CELs so have your tuner shut the associated codes off before you install the headers. I’d weld in a bung for a wideband before ceramic coating and installing them too.

MartinLe · 01-30-2021, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshinator99

Yes, going catless will give you CELs so have your tuner shut the associated codes off before you install the headers. I’d weld in a bung for a wideband before ceramic coating and installing them too.

Can I weld the bung on the collector or does it need to be a little farther back? So, you think I need to mess with the afr right now?

PROMETHEUS · 01-30-2021, 01:48 PM

Tune required for any headers.

Markoz28 · 01-30-2021, 01:58 PM

Tune is required for sure. Might want to add something to go with that to make the price of tuning worth it.

Joshinator99 · 01-30-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinLe

Can I weld the bung on the collector or does it need to be a little farther back? So, you think I need to mess with the afr right now?

You can have another bung welded to the collector for the wideband.

Tuning a car, especially a torque-based ECM, is a lot more than just AFR. Adjusting virtual torque, torque limits, and of course your MAF table too.

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Originally Posted by PROMETHEUS

Tune required for any headers.

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Originally Posted by Markoz28

Tune is required for sure. Might want to add something to go with that to make the price of tuning worth it.

Agreed. Great time to add a 95mm TB, maybe add E too. If you’re paying for tuning and/or dyno time, might as well make it worthwhile.

MartinLe · 01-30-2021, 02:39 PM

Just to be clear, I can place the wideband sensor on the collector of the header? TSP told me it needs to be about 6" farther down stream.

Tuning a car, especially a torque-based ECM, is a lot more than just AFR. Adjusting virtual torque, torque limits, and of course your MAF table too.

Jannetty Racing will do the remote tune.

Agreed. Great time to add a 95mm TB, maybe add E too. If you’re paying for tuning and/or dyno time, might as well make it worthwhile.[/QUOTE]

Long story short: bought a package from a vendor and everything got f'ed up. I have a 103mm NW tb I would like to use, but don't know if it would work on a stock blower (blower was supposed to get ported). I also have a 14% ATI pulley. Could I use it also on a non-ported blower?

Joshinator99 · 01-30-2021, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MartinLe

Just to be clear, I can place the wideband sensor on the collector of the header? TSP told me it needs to be about 6" farther down stream.

Tuning a car, especially a torque-based ECM, is a lot more than just AFR. Adjusting virtual torque, torque limits, and of course your MAF table too.

Jannetty Racing will do the remote tune.

Agreed. Great time to add a 95mm TB, maybe add E too. If you’re paying for tuning and/or dyno time, might as well make it worthwhile.

Long story short: bought a package from a vendor and everything got f'ed up. I have a 103mm NW tb I would like to use, but don't know if it would work on a stock blower (blower was supposed to get ported). I also have a 14% ATI pulley. Could I use it also on a non-ported blower?

See attached pic of what I did with my 2” stainless Dynatech headers. Tough to tell from the pic, but the second O2 bung for the wideband is offset just a bit. Did that, then sent the headers off for ceramic coating. Worked out mint.

If you want to run the 103mm TB either send it out to Kong for porting (or buy a Whipple/Maggie lol). The stock unported blower will heatsoak even worse with the 14% pulley IMO.

LT4Greg · 01-31-2021, 07:31 AM

Yes your ZL1 will need a tune!

SJFGTO · 01-31-2021, 08:23 AM

You not only need a tune, you must have a tune. Driving a supercharged car with headers and no tune can cause engine damage.

01-30-2021, 01:23 PM	#1
MartinLe Drives: 2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: OR Posts: 479	JUST ORDERED TSP 2" HEADERS. WILL A TUNE BE NEEDED? Hey guys, I just ordered the headers and can't wait to get them installed. I will be going catless straight to the stock suitcase. My car is completely stock, otherwise. If the tune is needed, I am wondering if I should install a wideband to dial in the afr? - it is running pig rich but strong. I thank you all in advance for your thoughts.

01-31-2021, 07:31 AM	#9
LT4Greg Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Coupe Join Date: May 2016 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,811	Yes your ZL1 will need a tune! __________________ ZL1 Coupe, PDR, Exposed carbon fiber hood insert, My Link with Nav, M6 6 speed and Silver Ice Metallic. Mods done: ceramic window tint, GM Accessories Camaro floor mats and Roto-Fab CAI.

01-31-2021, 08:23 AM	#10
SJFGTO Oh Oh it's Friday Night! Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Nightfall Gray Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Walton Woods Posts: 1,061	You not only need a tune, you must have a tune. Driving a supercharged car with headers and no tune can cause engine damage. __________________ 2018 Camaro ZL1 1LE NFG; ARH 2” headers, catless mids, ARH full exhaust, Lingenfelter 18% lower pulley, ATI Harmonic Balancer, Roto-fab CAI, EE-catch can, TM ported TB, NX Lid, BMR strut tower brace. Aeroforce dual pod interceptor gauges. Tuned by Vengeance Racing!!! 644 HP @ 6250 rpm / 689 trq @ 3660 rpm Four that wanna own me Two that wanna stone me One says she's a friend of mine...

01-30-2021, 01:48 PM	#4
PROMETHEUS Drives: 2019 ZL-1, Shadow Gray, Sold Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Fredericksburg, VA Posts: 1,390	Tune required for any headers.

01-30-2021, 01:58 PM	#5
Markoz28 Drives: 18 ZL1 nightfall grey A10 Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: RGV Texas Posts: 1,527	Tune is required for sure. Might want to add something to go with that to make the price of tuning worth it.

01-30-2021, 02:39 PM	#7
MartinLe Drives: 2017 Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2020 Location: OR Posts: 479	Just to be clear, I can place the wideband sensor on the collector of the header? TSP told me it needs to be about 6" farther down stream. Tuning a car, especially a torque-based ECM, is a lot more than just AFR. Adjusting virtual torque, torque limits, and of course your MAF table too. Jannetty Racing will do the remote tune. Agreed. Great time to add a 95mm TB, maybe add E too. If you’re paying for tuning and/or dyno time, might as well make it worthwhile.[/QUOTE] Long story short: bought a package from a vendor and everything got f'ed up. I have a 103mm NW tb I would like to use, but don't know if it would work on a stock blower (blower was supposed to get ported). I also have a 14% ATI pulley. Could I use it also on a non-ported blower?

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