Dodge reveals Hellcat Charger - Page 34

hotlap · 12-18-2014, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

MotorTrend: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 124.3mph; 4562lbs

Dodge claimed 0-60 3.7sec, 1/4 mile 11.0 @ 122.7mph.

M/T got the 60 mph but lost 0.8 sec on the 1/4 with a 1.6mph difference trap speed.

newmoon "will have the inside scoop on this, I am sure he will chime in soon. When it comes to... manufacturer claims he is our resident expert."

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Originally Posted by newmoon

204-mph, 11:00 1/4 mile times. It's faster than the Hellcat Challenger.

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Originally Posted by newmoon

The gauntlet has been thrown down for sure. Has Chevy released the performance numbers on the new Corvette Z06 yet, I hope they are better or it will be pretty embarrassing?

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Remember 11:00 (Charger) -11:20s (Challenger) is the number...

Also locked ECU or not the car is already capable of 11:00s on stock rubber, add a quality DR to it and 10:60s-10:80s should be there.

Kidding aside,both Hellcats are beautiful, extremely fast cars. The rub for me has been that the initial performance claims are absurd. The numbers will be achieved but they are the hero runs... IMO

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Self-awareness is the 1st Step...

SpeedIsLife · 12-18-2014, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Dodge claimed 0-60 3.7sec, 1/4 mile 11.0 @ 122.7mph.

M/T got the 60 foot but lost 0.8 sec on the 1/4 with a 1.6mph difference trap speed.

newmoon "will have the inside scoop on this, I am sure he will chime in soon. When it comes to... manufacturer claims he is our resident expert."

Kidding aside,both Hellcats are beautiful, extremely fast cars. The rub for me has been that the initial performance claims are absurd. The numbers will be achieved but they are the hero runs... IMO

MT also said this...

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Dodge claims the Charger Hellcat can run the quarter mile in 11.0 seconds flat. Although that might be possible on a specially prepped dragstrip, our testing is done on a street-style surface.

After the Challenger Hellcat debacle they were very very quick to point out they did their tests on street type surfaces.

hotlap · 12-18-2014, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

MT also said this...

After the Challenger Hellcat debacle they were very very quick to point out they did their tests on street type surfaces.

Based on the 60 mph, traction did not appear to be a problem for M/T. Maybe it's the final emission tweaks that were done to the Red Key tune.?.?

SpeedIsLife · 12-18-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Based on the 60 foot time, traction did not appear to be a problem for M/T. Maybe it's the final emission tweaks that were done to the Red Key tune.?.?

They didn't list the 60 foot time. 0-60 time yes, but not 60 foot.

They openly said traction WAS an issue for them

hotlap · 12-18-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

They didn't list the 60 foot time. 0-60 time yes, but not 60 foot.

They openly said traction WAS an issue for them

Correct. Knew that but came out wrong. My bad. So M/T achieved the 0 - 60 MPH time but traction was a problem. Where?

SpeedIsLife · 12-18-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Correct. Knew that but came out wrong. My bad. So M/T achieved the 0 - 60 MPH time but traction was a problem. Where?

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Stomping the right pedal at a 60-mph roll can easily produce black stripes and smoke as the Hellcat fishtails into ludicrous speeds even with traction control set at its most oppressive setting. At full throttle, the tires chirp on each upshift regardless of transmission setting.

Kind of indicates a traction problem to me. One would presume that a standing start would also suffer from issues

newmoon · 12-18-2014, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

MT also said this...

After the Challenger Hellcat debacle they were very very quick to point out they did their tests on street type surfaces.

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Did any of you really think that the Hellcat would run low 11s on a unprepped street surface, really?

Lets look at the Scatpack/SRT 392s for our example, Dodge claimed low 12-sec times, the mags tested to 12:80s-13:00s, in a very short time, actual owners now have several low 12s with a best of 12:14. Did Dodge lie?

Dodge claims low 11s for the Hellcats. The mags tested 11:40s - 11:90s. I don't know of any actual owner passes at the strip yet but we will soon find out if Dodge lied.

If you want to bash the Hellcat have at it, but I would wait until some actual owners take their cars to the track and get some passes completed. I'm pretty sure that the Scatpack naysayers are looking pretty ill informed now.

hotlap · 12-18-2014, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Kind of indicates a traction problem to me. One would presume that a standing start would also suffer from issues

The traction management system was competent at limiting power to launch the car to the advertised 0 - 60 so you're saying its reeled in the power above 60 mph. This isn't exactly unexpected, negates having a 707 HP engine and leads to the questions regarding what are the * after the NHRA claims.

* all the old rubber scraped off with 100 percent VHT sprayed the entire length of the track. Sneaker pull off foot test to ensure maximum adhesion.
* Minimum -300 ft DA, after noon, +50 degree F
* 25 MPH tailwind
* -1% grade slope

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The 3,880-3,887-pound GT-R models benefit greatly from the added grip of all-wheel drive (and short transmission gearing), indicating that the Hellcat's tires hamper its acceleration numbers

shaffe · 12-18-2014, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

The traction management system was competent at limiting power to launch the car to the advertised 0 - 60 so you're saying its reeled in the power above 60 mph. This isn't exactly unexpected, negates having a 707 HP engine and leads to the questions regarding what are the * after the NHRA claims.

* all the old rubber scraped off with 100 percent VHT sprayed the entire length of the track. Sneaker pull off foot test to ensure maximum adhesion.
* Minimum -300 ft DA, after noon, +50 degree F
* 25 MPH tailwind
* -1% grade slope

I have been able to walk on a track when it has been prepped for big time events, its insane how sticky it can be lol.

SEVEN-OH JOE · 12-18-2014, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by newmoon

Dodge claims low 11s** for the Hellcats. The mags tested 11:40s [one car- Automatic - on a prepped track] - 12:60s [6-speed]. I don't know of any actual owner passes at the strip yet but we will soon find out if Dodge lied.

**- "On a fully-prepped track [the kind that pulls your penny loafers off your feet when you walk on it] - AUTOMATIC-only [neglected to be added]"

The corrected range of actual times are what has been media-reported, so far.

rocket403 · 12-18-2014, 02:07 PM

11.9 is the best mag test for the 6sp so far, so Dodge has claimed all their times were on a prepped track.

SEVEN-OH JOE · 12-18-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket403

11.9 is the best mag test for the 6sp so far

One magazine, one time, as I was the first to report on the Challenger thread. As you know, 12's have been a more regular report.

rocket403 · 12-18-2014, 02:15 PM

ya did read it there, just pointing out that the 12.6 had been improved on.

12-18-2014, 02:07 PM	#473
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	11.9 is the best mag test for the 6sp so far, so Dodge has claimed all their times were on a prepped track.

12-18-2014, 02:15 PM	#475
rocket403 Drives: 80 Cutlass 403, 2010 FF RT Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ontario Posts: 921	ya did read it there, just pointing out that the 12.6 had been improved on.