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Old 07-23-2013, 10:23 AM   #29
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yes it would be stupid I agree and I wasn't my intent to imply such a thing. I also did not know that there was an SS before but my opinion still stands. Hope this model works out for GM. It just doesn't appeal to me at all.
I agree here, doen't matter what happened before calling anything just an SS these days does not fit, especially as SS has been a performance trim for how many years now?
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Old 07-23-2013, 11:18 AM   #30
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Why does it have to be renamed at all? Commodore was just fine IMO.
Sounds good to me. Calling it a SS is unnecessary.
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So 2 more gears in the trans is that big deal? LOL. 8 is a nice number but not a reason to buy or not buy a car...........................unless you have a transmission fetish. In that case you should bag the 8 speed as totally worthless as it isn't a DCT. Any performance enthusiast picking based on an automatic? Well not sure why. But if you are the judgment isn't 8 vs 6 it's whether or not you have a DCT. Period!
I can't believe a engineer such as yourself is saying this... The performance aspect of any 8-speed vs a 6-speed is considered a reason to buy a vehicle, 0-60 performance, mpg, shift times... are all reasons

No they are not as great as a DCT but they can and have been tuned to be very very close to achieve the same performance
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Old 07-23-2013, 02:55 PM   #32
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So 2 more gears in the trans is that big deal? LOL. 8 is a nice number but not a reason to buy or not buy a car...........................unless you have a transmission fetish. In that case you should bag the 8 speed as totally worthless as it isn't a DCT. Any performance enthusiast picking based on an automatic? Well not sure why. But if you are the judgment isn't 8 vs 6 it's whether or not you have a DCT. Period!
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I can't believe a engineer such as yourself is saying this... The performance aspect of any 8-speed vs a 6-speed is considered a reason to buy a vehicle, 0-60 performance, mpg, shift times... are all reasons
Probably was saying the exact same thing about 6 speed's all up to the day GM released plans for their own.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:06 PM   #33
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It is also the fact that gears can be spaced more tightly to keep it and it also allows higher OD gears for better milage. Mind you the 6.4 is already rated at 23 MPG with the old 5 speed auto and the SS is what, 20 with it's 6 speed? Also if it is not a big deal why is the Corvette, Cadillacs, and eventually the trucks getting rid of their 6 speed autos for 8 speed autos?
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I can't believe a engineer such as yourself is saying this... The performance aspect of any 8-speed vs a 6-speed is considered a reason to buy a vehicle, 0-60 performance, mpg, shift times... are all reasons

No they are not as great as a DCT but they can and have been tuned to be very very close to achieve the same performance
You either missed my point or I miss communicated.

Yes an 8 speed offers more refinement and a better optimization of gear spacing and can allow for a better 1st gear as well as a longer top hear.

What I was saying was simply judging a car ONLY on the number of gears in the trans. Would I like to see an 8 speed in the SS? Absolutely! Would I buy an SRT only because it did have an 8 speed? No I would not.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:13 PM   #34
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It is also the fact that gears can be spaced more tightly to keep it and it also allows higher OD gears for better milage. Mind you the 6.4 is already rated at 23 MPG with the old 5 speed auto and the SS is what, 20 with it's 6 speed? Also if it is not a big deal why is the Corvette, Cadillacs, and eventually the trucks getting rid of their 6 speed autos for 8 speed autos?
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I can't believe a engineer such as yourself is saying this... The performance aspect of any 8-speed vs a 6-speed is considered a reason to buy a vehicle, 0-60 performance, mpg, shift times... are all reasons

No they are not as great as a DCT but they can and have been tuned to be very very close to achieve the same performance
You either missed my point or I miss communicated.

Yes an 8 speed offers more refinement and a better optimization of gear spacing and can allow for a better 1st gear as well as a longer top hear.

What I was saying was simply judging a car ONLY on the number of gears in the trans. Would I like to see an 8 speed in the SS? Absolutely! Would I buy an SRT only because it did have an 8 speed? No I would not.
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Old 07-23-2013, 08:51 PM   #35
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Another reason I was disappointed with Chevy's return to building a rear wheel drive sedan.... not even going to say the name... is that it's not being offered in Canada. Even if I had waited to buy this car like I had considered I wouldn't even have the option. I think they're missing an opportunity to sell some cars and I just don't understand it. I'm not a big fan of the styling as I've said but LS3 and RWD will sell cars by itself. At this point I hope we can get our hands on a 6th Gen Camaro up here
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You either missed my point or I miss communicated.

Yes an 8 speed offers more refinement and a better optimization of gear spacing and can allow for a better 1st gear as well as a longer top hear.

What I was saying was simply judging a car ONLY on the number of gears in the trans. Would I like to see an 8 speed in the SS? Absolutely! Would I buy an SRT only because it did have an 8 speed? No I would not.
Either there's some GM biased rite here (as you should!) or you miscommunicated again.. so I'll ask

If the SS had a 8-speed auto, would you buy one?
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Please don't get me started on that SS...
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Old 07-24-2013, 02:46 AM   #39
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You either missed my point or I miss communicated.

Yes an 8 speed offers more refinement and a better optimization of gear spacing and can allow for a better 1st gear as well as a longer top hear.

What I was saying was simply judging a car ONLY on the number of gears in the trans. Would I like to see an 8 speed in the SS? Absolutely! Would I buy an SRT only because it did have an 8 speed? No I would not.
Too me it sounds like two extra parts that could break. Not impressed with everyone claiming their 8-speed tranny is superior. It's like when you were a kid and the neighbors bike was a 10-speed when you only had a 3-speed. In the end the neighbor kids bike just kept breaking.
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Too me it sounds like two extra parts that could break. Not impressed with everyone claiming their 8-speed tranny is superior. It's like when you were a kid and the neighbors bike was a 10-speed when you only had a 3-speed. In the end the neighbor kids bike just kept breaking.

I had 21 gears on my bike and it never broke I probably didn't "push" it hard enough
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:29 AM   #41
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You either missed my point or I miss communicated.

Yes an 8 speed offers more refinement and a better optimization of gear spacing and can allow for a better 1st gear as well as a longer top hear.

What I was saying was simply judging a car ONLY on the number of gears in the trans. Would I like to see an 8 speed in the SS? Absolutely! Would I buy an SRT only because it did have an 8 speed? No I would not.
I would buy the SRT because it is the better performing car myeelf. More power, 4 wheel brembos vs front wheel only, bilstien adjustable suspension, better FE (even with the old 5 speed auto). not to mention you are not going to mistake a SRT Charger or 300 for an 06 Impala anytime soon.
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Old 07-24-2013, 09:34 AM   #42
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Too me it sounds like two extra parts that could break. Not impressed with everyone claiming their 8-speed tranny is superior. It's like when you were a kid and the neighbors bike was a 10-speed when you only had a 3-speed. In the end the neighbor kids bike just kept breaking.
maybe,except this same transmission has been in high end cars for a few years ago and those extra parts are NOT breaking. Just like the 10 speed vs a 3 speed, a well tuned 8 speed auto will crap all over a 6 speed auto which is why GM is also offering one in the Corvette, CTS, upcoming trucks, and more than likely the C6 Camaro. Don';t down it, more gears are some of the pieces that will allow to hold on to performance for a while longer while keeping up with the EPA.
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