[MartinLe]

I was looking over the 1/4 mile fast list and noticed that all the fastest times were held by the A10. I am curious as how much slower these times would be with the M6?

[Vigilante375]

An automatic will always be faster than a manual. No matter what vehicle we're taking about.

But stock wise, it's a good 2 tenths or more faster than a manual.

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

An automatic will always be faster than a manual. No matter what vehicle we're taking about.

But stock wise, it's a good 2 tenths or more faster than a manual.

I was waiting for this answer. And in our world it is probably true. But, if an automatic tranny is "Always" faster, why are all the Pro Stock cars running manuals? I don't think it is required, could be no auto is strong enough? Curious, huh?

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

I was waiting for this answer. And in our world it is probably true. But, if an automatic tranny is "Always" faster, why are all the Pro Stock cars running manuals? I don't think it is required, could be no auto is strong enough? Curious, huh?

Do you see them using a foot clutch? Like what is in street cars?

It is a manual trans but look how they shift vs how a traditional manual car shifts.

So unless you're going to change the manual on the ZL1 to what they use then an A10 will always be faster. But by then, you'll have more in the trans just to be on par with an A10 vs using that money to actually make the car faster.

[MartinLe]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Do you see them using a foot clutch? Like what is in street cars?

It is a manual trans but look how they shift vs how a traditional manual cat shifts.

So unless you're going to change the manual on the ZL to what they use then an A10 will always be faster.

Launching the car, they do. But, you correctly answered the question. Once off the line they are essentially an automatic. From some of the cockpit views of their runs, I see no lifting of the throttle and certainly no clutch.

One last thought. Two tenths is a lot. I have not timed any of my runs so I only speculate. The NLS feature of our cars allows for quick gear changes. I agree they cannot be as quick as an auto - but they are quicker than throttle/clutch changes. I have had untrained ears ask me if my tranny is a stock automatic. It would be nice to hear from some of our more professional drivers that run the manual.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

Launching the car, they do. But, you correctly answered the question. Once off the line they are essentially an automatic. From some of the cockpit views of their runs, I see no lifting of the throttle and certainly no clutch.

One last thought. Two tenths is a lot. I have not timed any of my runs so I only speculate. The NLS feature of our cars allows for quick gear changes. I agree they cannot be as quick as an auto - but they are quicker than throttle/clutch changes. I have had untrained ears ask me if my tranny is a stock automatic. It would be nice to hear from some of our more professional drivers that run the manual.

Yes, they use the clutch off the line but never again after that. Technically it's a manual but they make it shift like a automatic. If they had to shift traditionally then they would not be as fast as they are.

Again, autos are more consistent and have less human input which means less human errors.

If you want to use a manual then use a manual. If you want to use a auto then use a auto. Don't worry about what everyone else is doing. Unless you're someone racing for money or fame then you should pick the better setup.

Isn't the a drag racing section on here? You might need to venture there and ask questions.

[David Gordon]

Trannys in Prostock car cost about 50k

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

I was looking over the 1/4 mile fast list and noticed that all the fastest times were held by the A10. I am curious as how much slower these times would be with the M6?

With a stock ZL1, the A10 has a big edge on the dragstrip over the M6, a lot more IMO than with an SS model. Likely reason is the computer, the built in M6 bog has a stronger effect with the extra hp of a ZL1. You'll notice that the best A10 time in ZL1 stock list is 10.94, while the best M6 time is at 11.68, big gap there. Locally I have met an M6 ZL1 driver who told me that he ran 11.9@121 when the car was stock. Compare that to an A10 ZL1 that looked stock in tech running 11.4 here, again, a big difference.

With a tuned car, if you fix the M6 bog issue in the tune, then it should run closer times to an A10 IMO. Discussion on the computer here https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603315

[big dave]

I think with a capable driver the manual will be much closer to times run with the A10 than most people think. The times posted on this site is just a small fraction of the number of passes that these cars have actually made. I, along with 17camaroZl1 have posted stock 10 second times, but I would be naiive to believe that we are the only ones who have run in the 10s stock. Me and my Z are on the heavy side so I know faster times are possible. I believe a low 11 is possible with the manual, even more possible with some kind of drag radial.

[RamAir02]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

I was waiting for this answer. And in our world it is probably true. But, if an automatic tranny is "Always" faster, why are all the Pro Stock cars running manuals? I don't think it is required, could be no auto is strong enough? Curious, huh?

[ZX-10R]

If more manuals like that were available I would sign up quick!

All these modern synchro manual transmissions are compromised to be street friendly, and a quality dog box that you can really hammer isn't cheap e.g. https://racetechservicesinc.com/prod...x-transmission

[CW3SF]

You don’t see many. Just came across this on the tube.

http://youtu.be/djCs90opyHI

[zig_zag]

Have Had both the M6 is BY FAR the more fun to drive - Who gives a Rat's ass about time slips - come on man...

[EV2DEMON]

Originally Posted by MartinLe

I was waiting for this answer. And in our world it is probably true. But, if an automatic tranny is "Always" faster, why are all the Pro Stock cars running manuals? I don't think it is required, could be no auto is strong enough? Curious, huh?

Pro Stock Transmission requirements directly from the NHRA Rule book:

"Aftermarket planetary or clutchless transmission with a maximum or 5 forward speeds and reverse permitted. Automatic transmission prohibited.