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Old 08-22-2014, 01:14 PM   #29
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That would make no sense to take your two halo models and switch the roles when both have been pretty defined for years.

but thats what it seems they are doing.

ZR1s are expected to be 110-120k

People were getting emotional that rumors of 100k starting price of the Z06. Much like people here getting pissed the z/28 was 75k



A ZR1 at this point in time is pure speculation. GM may not even build one (although the hotrod lt4 article says otherwise)
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:19 PM   #30
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yes, but it is still a Camaro. Just like a Z06 will "still" be a Corvette.
The Z28 is so far removed from a normal Camaro I don't think so at all. Same thing with the Z06. You will be able to count on one hand the number you'll ever see in the wild, ever, unless you specifically seek them out. I personally don't like the Z28 at all. I would never buy one. The ZL1, on the other hand, I love. Funny how two cars that are "just Camaros" can create two totally different responses in the same person.

Excitement to me goes in hand with rarity and performance. I would be very excited to see a Z28 because I've never seen one, even though I'd never own one. A C7 pulling up next to me doesn't even get a glance anymore. I see more of them than I do SS Camaro's. I'd turn my head more at a 1LE. If I saw a Z06 on the road I'd have to chase it down to drive behind it for a few miles.
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:22 PM   #31
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And it ended up being a significantly less track focused car. Supercharged with, at the minimum, a removable top that sacrificed rigidity. I get that this car is more rigid than the previous Z06, even with the removable top, but it would have been even more so with the hard top. This Z06 gave up what made the Z06 such an awesome car to chase more sales.

This "Z06" is more along the lines of the ZL1 than a Z06.
The C7 Z06 WITH THE TOP REMOVED is 20% more rigid than the C6 Z06. It is 60% more rigid with the top on. So, while yes it could be made more rigid if it didn't have a removable top, but those are insane improvements on the prior generation and hardly a sacrifice.
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Old 08-22-2014, 01:26 PM   #32
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How many Z06s will be made? I'm sure it's more than the amount of Z/28s out there and that is still a factor.
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:01 PM   #33
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:09 PM   #34
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The Z28 is so far removed from a normal Camaro I don't think so at all. Same thing with the Z06. You will be able to count on one hand the number you'll ever see in the wild, ever, unless you specifically seek them out. I personally don't like the Z28 at all. I would never buy one. The ZL1, on the other hand, I love. Funny how two cars that are "just Camaros" can create two totally different responses in the same person.

Excitement to me goes in hand with rarity and performance. I would be very excited to see a Z28 because I've never seen one, even though I'd never own one. A C7 pulling up next to me doesn't even get a glance anymore. I see more of them than I do SS Camaro's. I'd turn my head more at a 1LE. If I saw a Z06 on the road I'd have to chase it down to drive behind it for a few miles.
I have both, I also have people stop me to take pics of the Z28 every time I drive it, at shows the car has tons of people around it, the corvettes do not have very many like the Z28 does. There is a reason they are $75k the brakes and shocks are very expensive. I would bet that the Z06 for $79k the CC brakes are a option.
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:11 PM   #35
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You will now see the Z28 prices reduced by at least 10k more than you see now.
There would be no reason for a price drop, the Z28 is a Camaro and the Vett is a Corvette. Two different cars, the C7 does not have the draw of the crowd like the Z28 does.
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:14 PM   #36
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I may be in the minority, but I wish they offered the Z/28 with the option to omit the carbon ceramic brakes like they are doing on the Z06. Even if they didn't call it a Z/28 unless you ordered everything, I'd have been very happy with the 500 hp engine option on a 1LE for about 8-10 grand less than the complete Z/28 package.
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:26 PM   #37
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I have both, I also have people stop me to take pics of the Z28 every time I drive it, at shows the car has tons of people around it, the corvettes do not have very many like the Z28 does. There is a reason they are $75k the brakes and shocks are very expensive. I would bet that the Z06 for $79k the CC brakes are a option.
That's basically my point. The Z28 is a very specific niche car. It's dumb to say that Z28's are pointless now because of the Z06. Not everyone wants a Corvette. There's something to be said about a Camaro that can handle as well as some of the top cars in the world, and it is mega limited edition. I would never EVER purchase a Z28. I don't really care for the car at all. But if I saw one anywhere I'd be all over it because of how rare and special it is.

One does not cancel out the other. They are two wildly different cars. It would be an incredibly sad day if GM's only performance car was the Corvette. How boring. A fully loaded 2SS with all the options including 1LE comes damn close to the base model C7 price. So should fully optioned Camaros not exist because I could buy a Corvette? What if I want a Camaro, not a Corvette? Come on.
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I have both, I also have people stop me to take pics of the Z28 every time I drive it, at shows the car has tons of people around it, the corvettes do not have very many like the Z28 does. There is a reason they are $75k the brakes and shocks are very expensive. I would bet that the Z06 for $79k the CC brakes are a option.
You'd win the bet.
Confirmed $90K with carbon ceramic brakes and mandatory aero package. See post #13 above.

Weight has been confirmed at 349 pounds heavier than C6 Z06. Now 3500+. Still, At 650 HP, and excellent handling, the C7 Z06 is looking like a very good value in today's market.....

AND, the Z/28 is still worth every penny for its intended purpose.
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If that is true and you can buy one for that price or close than that is awesome!
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Old 08-22-2014, 02:55 PM   #40
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Lol why would anybody buy a Z28 when the Z06 is the same price? Man Chevy is all over the place with their pricing.
Buyer preference, driving ability, budget, needs, likes, wants etc.
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Old 08-22-2014, 03:28 PM   #42
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but thats what it seems they are doing.

ZR1s are expected to be 110-120k

People were getting emotional that rumors of 100k starting price of the Z06. Much like people here getting pissed the z/28 was 75k



A ZR1 at this point in time is pure speculation. GM may not even build one (although the hotrod lt4 article says otherwise)
If there is no ZR1 in this generation, the decision to call this Z06 would make even less sense.

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The C7 Z06 WITH THE TOP REMOVED is 20% more rigid than the C6 Z06. It is 60% more rigid with the top on. So, while yes it could be made more rigid if it didn't have a removable top, but those are insane improvements on the prior generation and hardly a sacrifice.
I'm not saying the stats on this car aren't impressive. I'm not saying it won't perform well. I'm not saying it won't sell well. I'm saying, in my opinion, this car doesn't deserve the Z06 badge. They took all that made the Z06 an awesome car and tossed it out the window.

Clearly, I'm part of a dying minority. People today are more concerned with what gadgets are in the car but I'm not. I guess I'll have to stick with older cars while GM moves away from building cars for people like me.
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