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2010ABM · 05-06-2010, 09:51 PM

So, I experimented with "floating" the gears in my M6 SS today. Seems rather easy between 1800 and 2000 to slip it right into gear. However, I got to thinking...does this do any damage to the synchros in the tranny?

BigMatt · 05-06-2010, 10:16 PM

do u mean shifting without using the clutch?

v6sonoma · 05-06-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMatt

do u mean shifting without using the clutch?

If thats what he means. Then yes it will over time cause problems. If not sooner.

Camaro2SSLS3 · 05-06-2010, 10:24 PM

I'v been doing it to all my cars over the past 10 years (still own my first car and drive it too) and never had any trans issues, as long as your not grinding gears and it goes in to gear like butter, no damage will be done. You need to match the rmps with your speed and it will fall right in.

2010ABM · 05-06-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMatt

do u mean shifting without using the clutch?

Yep! It seems to fall right into gear, no grinding or anything. I can't see it messing up the gears, only perhaps the synchros.

cdn2usa · 05-07-2010, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 2010ABM

Yep! It seems to fall right into gear, no grinding or anything. I can't see it messing up the gears, only perhaps the synchros.

I know it is not exactly the same. Way back when, my 2nd car was VW Bug, drove that sucker without a clutch for a year. Would start it in gear and shift without any problems. It got to be a pain at lights and hills (using the parking brake).

I wasn't a wrench back then, so it took me a year to actually check why I didn't have a clutch. Turns out the adjustment wing-nut by the bell housing had simply fallen off. Less than a buck and in 15 minutes the clutch was working again.

GNVenom · 05-07-2010, 07:28 AM

You won't hurt anything as long as you don't clash the gears. Basically you are matching the engine speed with the driveline speed in a given gear. The clutch will live forever if you do it forever..but technically you can't.

I always slip the trans out of gear into neutral when I slow to a stop. If you feather the throttle it slips right out. And, if you don't actually have to come to a complete stop, you can easily slip it into first gear. Just beware if you miss your "opportunity" you'll clash the gears. Then, go back to basics.

PAUL SS · 05-07-2010, 08:52 AM

As soon as you know what the rpm differential between gears is you can upshift or downshift without using the clutch. The key is to have it slide in and out of each gear with no sound or feeling in the stick. Done properly I don't see how this can caise any damage. If it is done wrong or forced, that's a different story.

BigMatt · 05-07-2010, 10:11 AM

I'm too afraid of messing something up to even try doing this.

EB&D · 05-07-2010, 10:41 AM

Did it in my Jeep for the entire 12 years I owned it...never had a tranny isssue. Do it now in the SS as well. As long as it falls into gear with no ammount of force needed, you're good to go.

2010 SSRS · 05-07-2010, 10:57 AM

cool

LazyYoYo · 05-07-2010, 11:46 AM

i suck at this.... always miss

talltom · 05-07-2010, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cdn2usa

I know it is not exactly the same. Way back when, my 2nd car was VW Bug, drove that sucker without a clutch for a year. Would start it in gear and shift without any problems. It got to be a pain at lights and hills (using the parking brake).

I wasn't a wrench back then, so it took me a year to actually check why I didn't have a clutch. Turns out the adjustment wing-nut by the bell housing had simply fallen off. Less than a buck and in 15 minutes the clutch was working again.

That's just hilarious!

GSUNCSU · 05-07-2010, 02:44 PM

Why do this?

05-06-2010, 09:51 PM	#1
2010ABM Drives: 2SS/RS ABM Camaro Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 1,076	Floating the Gears? So, I experimented with "floating" the gears in my M6 SS today. Seems rather easy between 1800 and 2000 to slip it right into gear. However, I got to thinking...does this do any damage to the synchros in the tranny? __________________

05-06-2010, 10:16 PM	#2
BigMatt 2010 Camaro 2 SS/RS M6 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Clayton Delaware Posts: 1,218 View My Garage	do u mean shifting without using the clutch? __________________ Forged LS3, FED M311 heads, CAI Inc, ARH 1 7/8, Corsa Xtreme, Taylor Wires, MGW Shifter, Street slayer twin carbon clutch, Tick braided clutch line & speed bleeder, ZL1 Diff Swap, BMR Split drop, Sway Bars, Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, Pro bushing kit, Carslyle racing 15in conversion, Whipple, LPE dual fuel pumps, Rx catch can, Id1300x, Alky Control

05-07-2010, 07:28 AM	#7
GNVenom Turbos. Turbos. Turbos. Drives: 2010 SS Yellow/Black Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Loveland, Colorado Posts: 201	You won't hurt anything as long as you don't clash the gears. Basically you are matching the engine speed with the driveline speed in a given gear. The clutch will live forever if you do it forever..but technically you can't. I always slip the trans out of gear into neutral when I slow to a stop. If you feather the throttle it slips right out. And, if you don't actually have to come to a complete stop, you can easily slip it into first gear. Just beware if you miss your "opportunity" you'll clash the gears. Then, go back to basics. __________________ John Spina Caspers Electronics Inc. Loveland CO 2010 2SS/RS Yellow/Black > http://www.bummlbe.com

05-07-2010, 08:52 AM	#8
PAUL SS The Mark of Excellence Drives: 2010 ABM 1SS RS LS3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Smallest State in the Union Posts: 8,690 View My Garage	As soon as you know what the rpm differential between gears is you can upshift or downshift without using the clutch. The key is to have it slide in and out of each gear with no sound or feeling in the stick. Done properly I don't see how this can caise any damage. If it is done wrong or forced, that's a different story. __________________ BMR, CAI, DynoMax, Elite Eng., Hurst, Jannetty, Clear Image Headers & Hi Flow cats, Jet Hot, LSR, TSW, VMax, Vredestein

05-07-2010, 10:11 AM	#9
BigMatt 2010 Camaro 2 SS/RS M6 Drives: 2010 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: Clayton Delaware Posts: 1,218 View My Garage	I'm too afraid of messing something up to even try doing this. __________________ Forged LS3, FED M311 heads, CAI Inc, ARH 1 7/8, Corsa Xtreme, Taylor Wires, MGW Shifter, Street slayer twin carbon clutch, Tick braided clutch line & speed bleeder, ZL1 Diff Swap, BMR Split drop, Sway Bars, Trailing Arms, Toe Rods, Pro bushing kit, Carslyle racing 15in conversion, Whipple, LPE dual fuel pumps, Rx catch can, Id1300x, Alky Control

05-06-2010, 10:24 PM	#4
Camaro2SSLS3 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS LS3 6 speed IOM/IOM Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Oaks,PA Posts: 730	I'v been doing it to all my cars over the past 10 years (still own my first car and drive it too) and never had any trans issues, as long as your not grinding gears and it goes in to gear like butter, no damage will be done. You need to match the rmps with your speed and it will fall right in.

05-07-2010, 10:41 AM	#10
EB&D Drives: '10 CGM SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: NY Posts: 64	Did it in my Jeep for the entire 12 years I owned it...never had a tranny isssue. Do it now in the SS as well. As long as it falls into gear with no ammount of force needed, you're good to go.

05-07-2010, 10:57 AM	#11
2010 SSRS Drives: 3 V8 Camaros Join Date: May 2009 Location: The Ocean State Posts: 111,187 View My Garage	cool __________________ Jannetty Racing JRE Street Package

05-07-2010, 11:46 AM	#12
LazyYoYo Yep, that just happened. Drives: Norma Jean, '10 Black 1SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Mid Missouri Posts: 245	i suck at this.... always miss __________________ K&N CAI Doug Thorley Shortys Solo High Flow Cats Flowmaster American Thunder Catback BMR Stage 1 JRE Tune

05-07-2010, 02:44 PM	#14
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